From the Al Pacino movie "Scarface": "First you get the power, then you get the money, then you get the women"

How about it? Is that true? Are women attracted to men who have money and power? Or are they attracted to the confident alpha-male personality that usually get the money and power?

What do you think?

I met my wife in a German Discotech in 1985. I had no power or money, just devilish good looks and some sweet moves on the dance floor. :yup:

You have to have "skills" when it comes to getting women. No skills, no women. By skills, I mean you have to know how to treat them right, talk to them right and make them laugh and have fun. If you can't do that, then forget about getting hot women, let alone lots of them. :thumb:

Genuine women are attracted to a great personality and someone who knows how to show them a good time and make them laugh. You have to be real with them.

I was a young, stupid, skinny, long haired drummer in a rock band when I met my wife in 1985. I was 18, she was 15--just young enough to be foolish enough to think I was cool because I was a drummer.

Obviously, I had no money and no power. Fortunately, she liked me anyway and we married in 1992 and she stuck by me as I got a hair cut and spent the next too many years completing doctoral training in psychology. Now I have some money but she has all the power! :p

Genuine women are attracted to a great personality and someone who knows how to show them a good time and make them laugh. You have to be real with them.

Genuine is the operative word here!

But it begets the question as to how difficult is it to find a "genuine" woman? And when you do, hold on to her for dear life and let her know what a treasure she is!

Unfortunately, in our materialistic society, this is often easier said than done. And the bottom line is, money is one of the leading causes of marital problems. So if a relationship is forged on the size of a bank account, its foundation is flawed from the start.

Money can (and often does) come and go, but love, trust and communication will overcome anything!

Have Fun & Fortune!
Stephanie

I think women want genuine...
but they are attracted to cool.

Genuine and sensitive "young" men, too often don't get the girl. Instead it's the jackass in the cool car that just wants to get in their pants that they go all crazy for. :hopeless:

I was a young, stupid, skinny, long haired drummer in a rock band when I met my wife in 1985. I was 18, she was 15--just young enough to be foolish enough to think I was cool because I was a drummer.

Obviously, I had no money and no power. Fortunately, she liked me anyway and we married in 1992 and she stuck by me as I got a hair cut and spent the next too many years completing doctoral training in psychology. Now I have some money but she has all the power! :p


Well, I would disagree...you may not have had money or power, but you had "status"...Dude, everyone knows that rock musicians(even if they're a 'garage' band) get chicks...Gene Simmons, in his book "Sex Money Kiss" says that the main reason he learned how to play the bass guitar was to "meet girls and get laid." :cool:

I think women want genuine...
but they are attracted to cool.

Genuine and sensitive "young" men, too often don't get the girl. Instead it's the jackass in the cool car that just wants to get in their pants that they go all crazy for. :hopeless:


I agree wholeheartedly...the sensitive "beta males" think that if they're nice and sensitive, and become her 'friend', the woman will tear off her clothes and want to have animal sex with them...

Now, I realize that women will say that they are looking for a sensitive, nice guy...yes, the women will say that, but it's not what they respond to...deep down, every woman is 'turned on' by an "alpha male'.

Well, I would disagree...you may not have had money or power, but you had "status"...Dude, everyone knows that rock musicians(even if they're a 'garage' band) get chicks...Gene Simmons, in his book "Sex Money Kiss" says that the main reason he learned how to play the bass guitar was to "meet girls and get laid." :cool:

In a lot of ways you are right...and that works well as long as you can pull it off (i.e., easier at 18 than 38), BUT at some point, most people in that situation (or at least ME) want something more than a groupie AND youthful good looks and coolness fade with age. Fortunately for me, I had the ability to do other, more productive (and mature) things and fortunately (for me) my wife realized she wanted more than a "rock star" for a life partner (especially since I'm pretty certain none of you own my band's CDs--thus speaking to my level of "success" in that area).

I guess what I'm saying is my "status" worked in the 1980s to get chicks (and let's face it, that was pretty much my highest priority in the 1980s) :cool: but that wouldn't wouldn't work real well for me now as I approach 40 :confused: ! Thank goodness for priority shifts! :yup:

In a lot of ways you are right...and that works well as long as you can pull it off (i.e., easier at 18 than 38), BUT at some point, most people in that situation (or at least ME) want something more than a groupie AND youthful good looks and coolness fade with age. Fortunately for me, I had the ability to do other, more productive (and mature) things and fortunately (for me) my wife realized she wanted more than a "rock star" for a life partner (especially since I'm pretty certain none of you own my band's CDs--thus speaking to my level of "success" in that area).

I guess what I'm saying is my "status" worked in the 1980s to get chicks (and let's face it, that was pretty much my highest priority in the 1980s) :cool: but that wouldn't wouldn't work real well for me now as I approach 40 :confused: ! Thank goodness for priority shifts! :yup:


Well put! :thumb:

I guess what I'm saying is my "status" worked in the 1980s to get chicks (and let's face it, that was pretty much my highest priority in the 1980s) :cool: but that wouldn't wouldn't work real well for me now as I approach 40 :confused: ! Thank goodness for priority shifts! :yup:


Are you saying that when you hit your forties you lose interest in women and sex? Jeeeze :yikes:

Hey, you all, why don't you ask women in the forum the same question...then you will get the right answer :D


From the Al Pacino movie "Scarface": "First you get the power, then you get the money, then you get the women"

How about it? Is that true? Are women attracted to men who have money and power? Or are they attracted to the confident alpha-male personality that usually get the money and power?

What do you think?

some are. My mother was attracted to a rich, alpha, narcissitic male. She married him. I go for the intelligent bad boy with good looks.

I met my wife in a German Discotech in 1985. I had no power or money, just devilish good looks and some sweet moves on the dance floor. :yup:

yeah, I can relate to that.

You have to have "skills" when it comes to getting women. No skills, no women. By skills, I mean you have to know how to treat them right, talk to them right and make them laugh and have fun. If you can't do that, then forget about getting hot women, let alone lots of them. :thumb:

Genuine women are attracted to a great personality and someone who knows how to show them a good time and make them laugh. You have to be real with them.

It is all about chemistry, and as you know you cannot generalize about this. Some women are attracted to wealth; some are attracted to power; some are looking for security; and like myself, I appreciate intelligence.

I think women want genuine...
but they are attracted to cool.

Genuine and sensitive "young" men, too often don't get the girl. Instead it's the jackass in the cool car that just wants to get in their pants that they go all crazy for. :hopeless:

You are so right. The cool car never meant much to me, but I appreciate a guy who might be sensitive, but appears not to be.

I agree wholeheartedly...the sensitive "beta males" think that if they're nice and sensitive, and become her 'friend', the woman will tear off her clothes and want to have animal sex with them...

Now, I realize that women will say that they are looking for a sensitive, nice guy...yes, the women will say that, but it's not what they respond to...deep down, every woman is 'turned on' by an "alpha male'.

Animal sex LOL

In a lot of ways you are right...and that works well as long as you can pull it off (i.e., easier at 18 than 38), BUT at some point, most people in that situation (or at least ME) want something more than a groupie AND youthful good looks and coolness fade with age. Fortunately for me, I had the ability to do other, more productive (and mature) things and fortunately (for me) my wife realized she wanted more than a "rock star" for a life partner (especially since I'm pretty certain none of you own my band's CDs--thus speaking to my level of "success" in that area).

I guess what I'm saying is my "status" worked in the 1980s to get chicks (and let's face it, that was pretty much my highest priority in the 1980s) :cool: but that wouldn't wouldn't work real well for me now as I approach 40 :confused: ! Thank goodness for priority shifts! :yup:

I married a blues musician years ago, and stayed with him for seven years....remind me to never do that again.

Are you saying that when you hit your forties you lose interest in women and sex? Jeeeze :yikes:

I think everyone puts sex in it's appropriate place after 40; it comes after food and TV :)

Seriously, I really have to say that you cannot generalize about all this. It would be like my saying all men have to have thin, beautiful women.

Seriously, I really have to say that you cannot generalize about all this. It would be like my saying all men have to have thin, beautiful women.

Here's something to chew on--"Nice Guys Don't Get Laid."

Oh, sure. I do realize I am making a sweeping generalization...but still...for instance, Pamela Lee will still stop guys in their tracks when they see her...guys will respond to her nice breasts and long legs...It's true, and any straight guy who says he won't at least "look" at her is lying...

Likewise, I do believe that women respond to an "alpha male"...The money and the "cool car" represent "strength", and woman, from caveman times, have responded to the quality of "strength" in a man...

Cathy, I agree that you probably want a nice, sensitive guy...but you'd have to admit that there is something in you that responds to the strong alpha male type...:yippee:

I'll give you my opinion on all of this, but it probably won't do much to lend insight into the mind of a "typical" woman, as I've ticked off quite a few females through the years with my rather, um, non-traditional attitudes on this subject.

I believe most women talk a good game in saying that they are looking for "kind, sensitive, etc." but when faced with the choice, they will trample past all of that in favor of flash and cash. Or worse yet, they will play both sides against the middle and string two guys along until the flash wins out (if you want to call it winning).

I have had many male friends through the years that are as genuine as the day is long and would make wonderful boyfriends, husbands, etc., but they have continually been raked over the coals by women or passed over altogether.

At 40 something, I would love to say that this phenomenon subsides with age (as some of you other 40ish male posters have alluded to) but unfortunately, I think it only gets worse with age -- the stakes just become higher.

The 40s crowd posting here that are trying to give the younger guys some hope that things improve with time and wisdom, may be unwittingly providing false hope. I sense that the men who have said this are married or in committed relationships, thus they may not be in tune as much with the over 40s singles scene. (LUCKY US!)

According to what I've seen with single friends who are 30+ is many women at this stage have a certain amount of baggage and are looking for a man to carry the load. It is almost as if priorities get more skewed as the years advance.

This is why in my original post I commented that if a man finds a truly genuine woman, not to let her get away, because unfortunately from what I've seen is that they are few and far in between.

Just so there's no confusion, let me also say that I am a firm believer in the fact that there are exceptions to every rule and obviously there are many women out there that break the mold. But I maintain that they are in the minority.

Also, I am blessed with a wonderful husband and we share the genuine balance, love, trust and communication that many people yearn for. Yet he and I have also been on both sides of the coin, so my opinions are not from sour grapes or anything else -- just some keen observations of people and friends through the years.

Stephanie

Are you saying that when you hit your forties you lose interest in women and sex? Jeeeze :yikes:

Never intended to send that message. Check your own signature line for greater clarification! :thumb:

Seriously, I really have to say that you cannot generalize about all this. It would be like my saying all men have to have thin, beautiful women.

Uhhh.....your point? :biglaugh:

The 40s crowd posting here that are trying to give the younger guys some hope that things improve with time and wisdom, may be unwittingly providing false hope.


Just to clarify:


I'm only 39
I repeatedly disclaimed "for ME", meaning results may vary. Do not attempt this at home. Adult supervision required.
:biglaugh:

Here's something to chew on--"Nice Guys Don't Get Laid."

Oh, sure. I do realize I am making a sweeping generalization...but still...for instance, Pamela Lee will still stop guys in their tracks when they see her...guys will respond to her nice breasts and long legs...It's true, and any straight guy who says he won't at least "look" at her is lying...

Likewise, I do believe that women respond to an "alpha male"...The money and the "cool car" represent "strength", and woman, from caveman times, have responded to the quality of "strength" in a man...

Cathy, I agree that you probably want a nice, sensitive guy...but you'd have to admit that there is something in you that responds to the strong alpha male type...:yippee:


I guess so, because I go with a true caveman. If he came in this forum, he would even admit it to you.:rulz:

Cathy and Stephanie,
Thanks for chiming in. Your comments add a lot to the discussion.

I think it all depends on individual perspective. For me, sex isn't something I obsess, over-fantasize, or worry about. It happens enough (maybe not as much as I'd like - but then I've been married for 21+ years with three kids [2 of them still at home]).

It's just that I have other priorities that matter more to me.

Highschool,
I agree with many of your assertions, I just think your comments presume too much when it comes to what men really want, and what kind of men are "getting laid", for example "nice guys". There are plenty of nice guys with children, hence they "get laid".

just some food for thought...:)

Never intended to send that message.

Just to clarify:

[LIST]
I'm only 39


So you're in denial AND you've lost interest in sex? I believe there are support groups for this! :biglaugh:

Gotta go, I'm laughing to hard to type...
Stephanie

Uhhh.....your point? :biglaugh:


LOL.....yeah, that was kind of obvious. What I was saying about a sensitive man is this: I really am not attracted to a sensitive man, but after we get to know each other, I really do like an empathetic boyfriend.

Shoot, at first, I go for looks (shallow, huh?), but if he is cute and dumb, no thanks. Then as time goes by, I hope he shows a caring side, at least 5% of the time....that is all I can expect. ;)

The money and the "cool car" represent "strength"

I'm no Freudian, but please....did you ever stop to think the money and the cool car (and penis size that is likely at the root of your need for a cool car to be an extension of your sex appeal) are hang ups that guys have?

But I guess that if what you really need to attract into your life is someone who is into you for your car, the Law of Attraction will still work. But think about how screwed up that is.

Cathy and Stephanie,
Thanks for chiming in. Your comments add a lot to the discussion.

I think it all depends on individual perspective. For me, sex isn't something I obsess, over-fantasize, or worry about. It happens enough (maybe not as much as I'd like - but then I've been married for 21+ years with three kids [2 of them still at home]).It's just that I have other priorities that matter more to me.

Highschool,
I agree with many of your assertions, I just think your comments presume too much when it comes to what men really want, and what kind of men are "getting laid", for example "nice guys". There are plenty of nice guys with children, hence they "get laid".

just some food for thought...:)

Coach, you hit the nail on the head again!!! Heck, I am happy not to be obsessed with sex anymore. Yes, gentlemen, even women think about sex. It is all about balance. I know nice guys get laid, Coach, but going back to my previous post, do fat ugly women get laid? j/k

I'm no Freudian, but please....did you ever stop to think the money and the cool car (and penis size that is likely at the root of your need for a cool car to be an extension of your sex appeal) are hang ups that guys have

Yeah, what's your point? :biglaugh:

I'm no Freudian, but please....did you ever stop to think the money and the cool car (and penis size that is likely at the root of your need for a cool car to be an extension of your sex appeal) are hang ups that guys have?

But I guess that if what you really need to attract into your life is someone who is into you for your car, the Law of Attraction will still work. But think about how screwed up that is.


What is with the car??? I would rather the guy give me the money he spent on the car, and I would buy my own. :thumb:

This has got to be the absolute funniest thread I have EVER been involved in. And it appears that we're all screwing off in the middle of the day (thank goodness I'm suffering through some patient no-shows!) :yippee:

it is as simple as this: boy meets girl, boy likes girl, girl likes boy............................................... .................................................. ............................

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/html/movies/bestpictures/images/eternity-px.3-195.jpg

Highschool,
I agree with many of your assertions, I just think your comments presume too much when it comes to what men really want, and what kind of men are "getting laid", for example "nice guys". There are plenty of nice guys with children, hence they "get laid".

just some food for thought...:)

Well, sure, but most of these guys are married, and for me the trade off isn't very good...(the woman says,"Honey, marry me and stick with me for the rest of your life, never look or sleep with another woman again, and I'll give you sex twice a month"...:yikes: )

"It's better to have loved and lost, than to have loved and lived with a psycho!!"--unknown :biglaugh:

Well, sure, but most of these guys are married, and for me the trade off isn't very good...(the woman says,"Honey, marry me and stick with me for the rest of your life, never look or sleep with another woman again, and I'll give you sex twice a month"...:yikes: )

"It's better to have loved and lost, than to have loved and lived with a psycho!!"--unknown :biglaugh:

Man, you roll me!!!! :biglaugh:

From the Al Pacino movie "Scarface": "First you get the power, then you get the money, then you get the women"

How about it? Is that true? Are women attracted to men who have money and power? Or are they attracted to the confident alpha-male personality that usually get the money and power?

What do you think?


Yeah, this is sexy. Look at the size of that gun!

:biglaugh:


http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PF/PF_972731~Scarface-Gun-Posters.jpg

...and look how he's holding it (his "little friend"). :tiphat:

I'd rather have the laptop in the background of the photo... must be because I'm turning 42 in 8 days! LMAO

And I don't get the car thing either, but then again I bought my own corvette when I was 27 and joyfully traded it for a SUV when the girls wouldn't fit!

Stephanie

P.S. Today's a work day?

Yes, gentlemen, even women think about sex.

:eek: WHAT?????

:eek: WHAT?????

First denial, now panic :biglaugh:

Yeah, this is sexy. Look at the size of that gun!

:biglaugh:


http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PF/PF_972731~Scarface-Gun-Posters.jpg


Ha,ha...that is such a coooool movie!! :rulz:

First denial, now panic :biglaugh:

Ouch! :(





:D

Well, sure, but most of these guys are married, and for me the trade off isn't very good...(the woman says,"Honey, marry me and stick with me for the rest of your life, never look or sleep with another woman again, and I'll give you sex twice a month"...:yikes: )

"It's better to have loved and lost, than to have loved and lived with a psycho!!"--unknown :biglaugh:


:hmm: ... are you speaking from personal experience?

:hmm: ... are you speaking from personal experience?


Of course!!:wave:

Bro, marriage is an unfair deal for the man...a woman has all the fun and sex with the bad boys, then she settles down with the "nice guy" who gets all her freaking baggage and gets to pay all her bills...plus, if they get divorced she will get the majority of his money...the best financial move a woman can make is to get married and divorced numerous times and keep collecting alimoney from each marriage...:bonk:

Of course!!:wave:

Bro, marriage is an unfair deal for the man...a woman has all the fun and sex with the bad boys, then she settles down with the "nice guy" who gets all her freaking baggage and gets to pay all her bills...plus, if they get divorced she will get the majority of his money...the best financial move a woman can make is to get married and divorced numerous times and keep collecting alimoney from each marriage...:bonk:


I think you'll find a lot of women who claim it's an unfair deal for them. I think if my marriage had ended in divorce I would feel bitter about, and thus be against it.

I just don't think this is a subject that can be discussed using labels and generalizations. US statistics show that 50% of marriages end in divorce and 60% of re-marriages. So, it would appear that the first time around it works half the time. :tiphat:

Sobering sentiments from Highschoolrichkid.

Generalizations aside, such a view from today's younger generation is actually very sad. But unfortunately, backed by a fair amount of precedent.

Stephanie

Certainly when I make the generalizations, I am making them partly toungue-in-cheek...

As a comedian once said, "I'm not going to get married anymore...I'm just going to find a woman I hate and buy her a house." :biglaugh:

I was actually referring to the Coach's comment about generalizations -- and which I agree with.

I realize a lot of what you were saying was tongue in cheek, but from an old timer, (ok, maybe not all that old) I think you're not all that far off the mark and even if it's a generalization and well under 50%, it's still a little sad.

I still maintain hope that there are exceptions to every rule and those are the bright spots that we should focus on!

Stephanie

Certainly when I make the generalizations, I am making them partly toungue-in-cheek...

As a comedian once said, "I'm not going to get married anymore...I'm just going to find a woman I hate and buy her a house." :biglaugh:

I have known women who have ended up buying the man the house. Then when they divorced, he received half. C'est la vie.

ouch!!

Of course!!:wave:

Bro, marriage is an unfair deal for the man...a woman has all the fun and sex with the bad boys, then she settles down with the "nice guy" who gets all her freaking baggage and gets to pay all her bills...plus, if they get divorced she will get the majority of his money...the best financial move a woman can make is to get married and divorced numerous times and keep collecting alimoney from each marriage...:bonk:


Yes that's right, Highschool. Marriage is so unfair for you men..We women run around until the day we say "I do". In fact, it is true that most of us sleep with your best man in the limo before the ceremony (sometimes we even do the groomsman in the back of the church). Then we get the pleasure of living with you. 24-7 That charming, handsome guy who wooed us into a tizzy while we were dating, disappears completely and his evil twin emerges. We cook for him, do his laundry, watch as he scratches his crotch and farts and burps at the same time, leaves dirty socks and underwear just where they fall...oh it's all good.

But wait...the best part is - we do our "sex twice a month" thing and end up pregnant. We gain weight, get cranky and carry around a bowling ball for nine months until it's time to push it through the eye of a needle while you watch the game on tv, eat beer nuts and call your buddies. We then get to spend the next year of our lives not sleeping (cause you have to get up and go to work you need your sleep), having our breasts sucked on numerous times a day (and it ain't by you), smelling like baby puke rather than CKOne, not having a nano-second of time to ourselves (cause we are also still doing all the other stuff that you are too busy working to do), .. oh and we're expected to be in our best Victoria's Secret sex goddess mood when you get home.

Oh yeah..marriage is a real unfair deal for you guys....sheesh...

Yes that's right, Highschool. Marriage is so unfair for you men..We women run around until the day we say "I do". In fact, it is true that most of us sleep with your best man in the limo before the ceremony (sometimes we even do the groomsman in the back of the church). Then we get the pleasure of living with you. 24-7 That charming, handsome guy who wooed us into a tizzy while we were dating, disappears completely and his evil twin emerges. We cook for him, do his laundry, watch as he scratches his crotch and farts and burps at the same time, leaves dirty socks and underwear just where they fall...oh it's all good.

But wait...the best part is - we do our "sex twice a month" thing and end up pregnant. We gain weight, get cranky and carry around a bowling ball for nine months until it's time to push it through the eye of a needle while you watch the game on tv, eat beer nuts and call your buddies. We then get to spend the next year of our lives not sleeping (cause you have to get up and go to work you need your sleep), having our breasts sucked on numerous times a day (and it ain't by you), smelling like baby puke rather than CKOne, not having a nano-second of time to ourselves (cause we are also still doing all the other stuff that you are too busy working to do), .. oh and we're expected to be in our best Victoria's Secret sex goddess mood when you get home.

Oh yeah..marriage is a real unfair deal for you guys....sheesh...

Heh-heh...

But seriously, it's obvious that men and women are differant, but still...

Here's a question for men and women...

You--men--do want to have sex with as many women as possible (preferably at the same time)?

You--women--do you want a man who will stay committed to you emotionally, sexually and in all other ways to become your soul partner to the exclusion of all other women? ( can you guess the answer?)

Women are from Mars. Men have penis. :D

Men have penis. :D

Does that include high school kids?

You--men--do want to have sex with as many women as possible (preferably at the same time)?

You--women--do you want a man who will stay committed to you emotionally, sexually and in all other ways to become your soul partner to the exclusion of all other women? ( can you guess the answer?)



The key to the question is you said MEN and WOMEN not boys and girls......

Let's have this conversation in, say, ten years.....

I can honestly tell you that I am not attracted to men for money. I can make my own money! I have turned down millionaires to date... went on one date and was so bored out of my mind... all he could do was name drop, tell me he would take me out on his yacht, etc. Sorry! Doesn't matter if you have a personality like a dead fish and all the money in the world to me... I would rather be alone....

Now - give me a man with true confidence... wow! I don't care how much money he has, as long as he has confidence. And as long as he is motivated to always continue to grow, learn, etc. A man who latches onto a woman because she has money is just as bad in my opinion. Love is what the main reason you should be in a relationship for.. not because someone has money.

Now someone with confidence, who is self assured, not egotistical, not arrogant - but truly self assured... THAT is HOT. I can say I do find that I am more attracted to the Alpha male types, but not if they are arrogant. I like men whom I generally find are take charge kind of men - but not acting superior in their attitude or being sexist or racist... just confident men. Such as Producers, Managers, Owners, Cops, anyone who handles responsibility well and PROVES it to me. Just because a man is one of those above mentioned- doesn't mean they are truly confident or worthy.... Just my .02 cents on it. :)

HSRK, let me say this... I am just now getting to the point where I have some extra money here and there. But it's been a long road here... and along that road there's been a good amount of relationships where I had little to NO money to spare.
I'll tell you a story of how money doesn't win the girl. I was at a party (senior yr of college), and there was a decently cute girl I wanted to talk to. Problem was, she had a young, stylish, slick, Abercrombie & Fitch looking guy talking to her 1/2 the night. The more I looked over, the more I could tell from their body language she was bored. She makes for the kitchen for a drink and I walk into the kichen right behind her and make a joke. She smiles. I say something along the lines of "Wow, you DO have a smile! I hadn't seen it all night while you were hanging out with your boyfriend". I take her glass without asking and say "What're ya having?"
She smiles big and says "Rum and coke". I make her drink and we start talking and finally she admits the guy is someone she was being introduced to by friends. But he keeps talking about his boat, his golf club membership and his new Beemer... and she just wants to leave.
Now lets be clear here... this guy had the looks (like he was in a boy-band) and money.
Care to guess who got her phone number? Yeah, you guessed it; the guy that was fun to talk to, in control, smooth, asked her questions AND LISTENED to her, made her feel valued for just being cool to talk to...

Take a hint from someone with more years in the game than you, bro: It aint about your bank account (as long you're self supporting, that's enough) and it aint really even that much about your looks. It's about how you make them feel when they're with you.

As far as marriage goes, I couldn't comment. I don't think it's as bad as either you or my buddy Aviatrix makes it out to be. Not if you choose carefully.

-CP

HSRK, let me say this... I am just now getting to the point where I have some extra money here and there. But it's been a long road here... and along that road there's been a good amount of relationships where I had little to NO money to spare.
I'll tell you a story of how money doesn't win the girl. I was at a party (senior yr of college), and there was a decently cute girl I wanted to talk to. Problem was, she had a young, stylish, slick, Abercrombie & Fitch looking guy talking to her 1/2 the night. The more I looked over, the more I could tell from their body language she was bored. She makes for the kitchen for a drink and I walk into the kichen right behind her and make a joke. She smiles. I say something along the lines of "Wow, you DO have a smile! I hadn't seen it all night while you were hanging out with your boyfriend". I take her glass without asking and say "What're ya having?"
She smiles big and says "Rum and coke". I make her drink and we start talking and finally she admits the guy is someone she was being introduced to by friends. But he keeps talking about his boat, his golf club membership and his new Beemer... and she just wants to leave.
Now lets be clear here... this guy had the looks (like he was in a boy-band) and money.
Care to guess who got her phone number? Yeah, you guessed it; the guy that was fun to talk to, in control, smooth, asked her questions AND LISTENED to her, made her feel valued for just being cool to talk to...

Take a hint from someone with more years in the game than you, bro: It aint about your bank account (as long you're self supporting, that's enough) and it aint really even that much about your looks. It's about how you make them feel when they're with you.

As far as marriage goes, I couldn't comment. I don't think it's as bad as either you or my buddy Aviatrix makes it out to be. Not if you choose carefully.

-CP


I buy into what you're saying...up to a point!!

In your above example, you were talking with her, flirting with her, and showing your interest in her right away...If the "rich" guy could flirt and joke like you, plus he had the "flash and the cash", I believe he would've won out...

Why does Donald Trump get the babes he gets?...Is it because he's Mr. Sensitive...Hell, no!!Would he get the women he gets if he was a factory worker? or some middle manager in some company somewhere? I think you know the answer to that...

Napoleon Hill, in his masterpiece, Think And Grow Rich, says that from the time that we lived in caves, the guy that brought home the biggest animal to eat got the best looking babe!! Nowadays there are no actual beasts to kill, but the guys with high testoserone now run companies and make millions! It's all Darwinism!!

Why are guys sexually attracted to woman with big breasts and nice hips (I realize I am making a general statement about what men like. I know there are exceptions)? Because they represent "Child Rearing."

As far as marriage goes, I couldn't comment. I don't think it's as bad as either you or my buddy Aviatrix makes it out to be. Not if you choose carefully.


Great story CP - I think it will be lost on the intended audience though. And yes you are correct, it isn't that bad, I was being sarcastic in response to his somewhat juvenille views on things......HSRK should get together with Zaul...they'd make a good team. :hopeless:

In your above example, you were talking with her, flirting with her, and showing your interest in her right away...If the "rich" guy could flirt and joke like you, plus he had the "flash and the cash", I believe he would've won out...

Because I've been in that situation too, it boils down to one of two things... (1) who got there first, or (2) Who is more confident, funny, and makes her feel better. Generally it's #1... if a woman is interested in you, and you're one of the very few men that ignite that spark for her by being confident, smooth, a MAN who can LEAD, she won't really give other guys much of a chance... she'll focus on you.

Why does Donald Trump get the babes he gets?... I think you know the answer to that...
The money may help him, I'll give you that. But it could also be that the Don probably has a confidence that few men will ever know... because he's built fortunes and lost them and rebuilt them again. You can't do that without a lot of confidence and belief in your self. Losing even small amount of money is enough to chase most men away from the biz world and back into a comfortable job... but not him.

Napoleon Hill, in his masterpiece, Think And Grow Rich, says that from the time that we lived in caves, the guy that brought home the biggest animal to eat got the best looking babe!! Nowadays there are no actual beasts to kill, but the guys with high testoserone now run companies and make millions! It's all Darwinism!!
I actually do think Darwinism does play a part, in that most feminine women are attracted to an Alpha male. But having money DOES NOT equate to having Alpha characteristics, nor does it mean that money will last. It's the ability to earn the money in the first place that's important, not just having it.

Just my .02 ...

-CP

I met my wife in a German Discotech in 1985. I had no power or money, just devilish good looks and some sweet moves on the dance floor. :yup:

LOL Coach! that's great! :bouncy:

Now, I realize that women will say that they are looking for a sensitive, nice guy...yes, the women will say that, but it's not what they respond to...deep down, every woman is 'turned on' by an "alpha male'.

Nope, not me. I want a sensitive, nice guy....and he has to have a kick-ass sense of humor.

Well, sure, but most of these guys are married, and for me the trade off isn't very good...(the woman says,"Honey, marry me and stick with me for the rest of your life, never look or sleep with another woman again, and I'll give you sex twice a month"...:yikes: )

Hmmmm....well, whoever marries me will have a much better deal than THAT!

Money can't buy me love...reminds me of a song:hmm:

Certainly when I make the generalizations, I am making them partly toungue-in-cheek...

As a comedian once said, "I'm not going to get married anymore...I'm just going to find a woman I hate and buy her a house." :biglaugh:

That wasn't a comedian - it was the singer Rod Stewart - believe it was Leno or Letterman's show he said it... I watched him say it... funny!

Because I've been in that situation too, it boils down to one of two things... (1) who got there first, or (2) Who is more confident, funny, and makes her feel better. Generally it's #1... if a woman is interested in you, and you're one of the very few men that ignite that spark for her by being confident, smooth, a MAN who can LEAD, she won't really give other guys much of a chance... she'll focus on you.


The money may help him, I'll give you that. But it could also be that the Don probably has a confidence that few men will ever know... because he's built fortunes and lost them and rebuilt them again. You can't do that without a lot of confidence and belief in your self. Losing even small amount of money is enough to chase most men away from the biz world and back into a comfortable job... but not him.


I actually do think Darwinism does play a part, in that most feminine women are attracted to an Alpha male. But having money DOES NOT equate to having Alpha characteristics, nor does it mean that money will last. It's the ability to earn the money in the first place that's important, not just having it.

Just my .02 ...

-CP


Great post CP! I think that advice is worth way more than .02 cents... that is GOLD... Glad to see there are men out there still with that kind of attitude. Hope all the young un's out there are taking notes from you!! That is why personally, I am attracted to males who are older than I am... it is the difference in attitude. Most younger guys like CP's age - don't have CP's wisdom - YOU ROCK CP!! :rulz:

That wasn't a comedian - it was the singer Rod Stewart - believe it was Leno or Letterman's show he said it... I watched him say it... funny!

Rod is awesome...in his sixties and just got a super model in her twenties pregnant. :D

But that is part of my point...I have a lady friend who thinks Rod is "cute."
I told her, "wait a minute. The guy is a cad. Who knows how many times he's been married, he dates women forty years his juinor. You think he's cute?"

"well, yeah."

Here's the thing, if Rod was a garbage man, or a high school teacher, or a factory worker, most women would call him "a dirty old man, ect." But because Rod is filthy, stinking rich, woman think his antics are "cute."

Rod is awesome...in his sixties and just got a super model in her twenties pregnant. :D

ugh.


Here's the thing, if Rod was a garbage man, or a high school teacher, or a factory worker, most women would call him "a dirty old man, ect." But because Rod is filthy, stinking rich, woman think his antics are "cute."

double ugh.

Rod is awesome...in his sixties and just got a super model in her twenties pregnant. :D

But that is part of my point...I have a lady friend who thinks Rod is "cute."
I told her, "wait a minute. The guy is a cad. Who knows how many times he's been married, he dates women forty years his juinor. You think he's cute?"

"well, yeah."

Here's the thing, if Rod was a garbage man, or a high school teacher, or a factory worker, most women would call him "a dirty old man, ect." But because Rod is filthy, stinking rich, woman think his antics are "cute."


I don't think there is anything cute about Rod. The only thing I like about him is his music. There is something to say though about lead singers being attractive...at least to me...but not Rod.

Why does Donald Trump get the babes he gets?...Is it because he's Mr. Sensitive...Hell, no!!.

You don't know that for sure. He might be Mr Insensitive out there in the biz world, but you don't know what he does when he's wooing a woman. This isn't (just) about Trump, it's about anybody else you think you know well just because of their outward public persona.

You don't know that for sure. He might be Mr Insensitive out there in the biz world, but you don't know what he does when he's wooing a woman. This isn't (just) about Trump, it's about anybody else you think you know well just because of their outward public persona.

Excellent point Midas Girl !!

I think we love to admire the success people have made, then so many seem out to tear them down. From what I have seen of the people I admire, Donald Trump, David Foster... is they are all real hard ***** you know, tough but fair too. They don't spoil their kids, have instilled in them that they have to work too... can get the best out of people, etc. Are they perfect human beings? Heck no! But I admire them for they keep getting back up no matter how many times they fall down. They do it without complaint, and they are so committed, so driven, so inspired by what they love to do! I have to admire them for that. We will never know what Princess Diana, Donald Trump, Tony Robbins, etc are really like.... not really our business either unless we are married to them.

From all the interviews I have seen Donald Trump give, he is good to the women in his life... Ivana got the worst parts of him I guess... bad moods, etc. But like the rest of us, is he not allowed to change and grow into a better human being? Can't you give him that much HSRK??

Can't you give him that much HSRK??

Are you kidding? If I have come across in anyway that I am putting down Donald Trump, or Rod Stewart, ect, then I have not been communicating very well!! I admire these gentlemen ( and others) for their kick-a$$ work ethic!

I also admire them that they've been able to be in their 50's and 60's and date women who are in their twenties!! (but that's nothing new. Older men have always been attracted to younger woman).

LOL Coach! that's great! :bouncy:

Nope, not me. I want a sensitive, nice guy....and he has to have a kick-ass sense of humor.

Hmmmm....well, whoever marries me will have a much better deal than THAT!

Money can't buy me love...reminds me of a song:hmm:

That wasn't a comedian - it was the singer Rod Stewart - believe it was Leno or Letterman's show he said it... I watched him say it... funny!

Great post CP! I think that advice is worth way more than .02 cents... that is GOLD... Glad to see there are men out there still with that kind of attitude. Hope all the young un's out there are taking notes from you!! That is why personally, I am attracted to males who are older than I am... it is the difference in attitude. Most younger guys like CP's age - don't have CP's wisdom - YOU ROCK CP!! :rulz:

I like all of the above...it is all about chemistry. You know it when you feel it, and that is my only comment about this subject. :hug:

What I am trying to say is it is all so relative; each person is different. I have been attracted to poor men, rich men, handsome men, ugly men, etc. I appreciate humor and intelligence.

I appreciate humor and intelligence.
It must be that Mirror-thing at work Darlin'! ;)

Thank you, Manta. The mating game is a weird game, isn't it? :hmm:

The mating game is a weird game, isn't it? :hmm:

It's supposed to be that way though (IMHO)... that way its more intersting.

-CP

I also admire them that they've been able to be in their 50's and 60's and date women who are in their twenties!! (but that's nothing new. Older men have always been attracted to younger woman).

That's because the maturity level of a man is about 25 years behind that of a woman.......so technically, those men are attracting and are attracted to an equal. Once women get past a certain age, we realize there will never be a man who is of our intellectual and emotional equal so we just go for hot bodies (ala Demi and Ashton, Sheryl and Lance, Mrs. Robinson and Benjamin). That's why you don't see the donald or rod or mic with a real woman - they couldn't handle us and we don't want them. :biglaugh:

Once women get past a certain age, we realize there will never be a man who is of our intellectual and emotional equal so we just go for hot bodies (ala Demi and Ashton, Sheryl and Lance, Mrs. Robinson and Benjamin).

Ohhhh ...... I think thats hardly fair! There are plenty of Women who go for the Hot Bod AND Intellengence AND a WARPED sense of Humour! :tiphat:

That's because the maturity level of a man is about 25 years behind that of a woman.......so technically, those men are attracting and are attracted to an equal. Once women get past a certain age, we realize there will never be a man who is of our intellectual and emotional equal so we just go for hot bodies (ala Demi and Ashton, Sheryl and Lance, Mrs. Robinson and Benjamin). That's why you don't see the donald or rod or mic with a real woman - they couldn't handle us and we don't want them. :biglaugh:

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :yup: :yup:

Avi's right. When Ivana got smart and started her own businesses and got where she didn't really 'need' (as in needy) the Donald, he moved on to fresh needy meat. Ego does funny things.

My second husband is the Alpha male where ever we go. The Alpha sense of humor, the Alpha personality...he works a crowd like nobody's business. He will have ten new friends by the time he leaves any bar or sporting event.

He had no money when we met. But he was really the coolest person I had ever met up to that point. In a hard to describe cool way. He isn't tall. Just 5'7". Average good looks. But confident. Smiles ALL the time. If he has any kind of disorder it's that he never has any kind of disorder.

So I believe CP's story and that would have been me. Flash is not what makes a normal woman stand up and notice. Flash is what makes a vain woman stand up and notice. A shallow woman. If that's all she cares about, she is dysfunctional anyway and you saved yourself from gold-digger hell. Consider it part of the culling process of life.

Jennifer

she is dysfunctional anyway and you saved yourself from gold-digger hell. Consider it part of the culling process of life.

Jennifer

I would agree...although sometimes the dysfunctional ones are crazyin bed!! :D

The normal ones are too. Just don't pick a dud. ;)

Jennifer

From being married to a man who had everything - money was not an issue. Infact he bought me a porsche 911 as my toyota corolla was not good enough. My clothes were not right- so I had bought from designer stores. I had to be the trophy wife in the end. It did not start out this way - it was all lovey dovey camping etc, flash cars - then it changed - he changed me and silly me allowed it! Boy was I the fool!

My awaking was my fathers illness and death, along with 4 other family members passing on and a severe car accident.

Then I really looked within to see - if woman love men for money and is money everything! The answer is no!

If woman want you for money - then their souls have not grown and they are swallow and need to grow!

Go for what you want and put it out to the uiniverse. The universe will provide! Do a chart board of the type of woman you want in your life and you will be amazed at what is provided. It worked for me! This time around!


EGO is a funny thing - it trys to contol alot of things!

We have focused on the money thing, but what about "power"??!!

Henry kissinger said "power" was a big turn on for women. (and, usually, "power" brings money.)

We have focused on the money thing, but what about "power"??!!

Henry kissinger said "power" was a big turn on for women. (and, usually, "power" brings money.)

HSRK, I think Power is definitely a turn on for women. But let's not confuse turn on with the ability to stay the course (eeeeewww I quoted Bush). That may get her attention, but you better have a strategy to keep her interested. Otherwise, if that was all you were relying on (and that means any other superficial turn ons), then she'll get bored real fast. Yeah, again, refer to the Donald and his various divorces.

If all you're interested in is one-night stands, or a hollow shell of a woman waiting at home for ya, yeah, money, power, status will get you that.

Huh-huh-huh... she said, "Bush".

-CP

I am either really blonde CP - or missed something in a previous post!

(eeeeewww I quoted Bush).

She said "Bush".

It was a Beavis and Butthead reference....

Nevermind.

-CP

Oh okay! I am not into beavis and butthead.... so I wouldn't of known. I am warning you all now.. I really am blonde! LOL

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Oh okay! I am not into beavis and butthead.... so I wouldn't of known. I am warning you all now.. I really am blonde! LOL
So is Beevis ......


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Okay that is it! I am dying my hair to be brunette then! Yuck...... :lildevil:
I say that cause I am not into beavis and butthead....!! Not aimed at brunettes.. no hate mail please! :biglaugh:

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Now this was funny! :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

We have focused on the money thing, but what about "power"??!!

Henry kissinger said "power" was a big turn on for women. (and, usually, "power" brings money.)

I think power is a double-edged sword and definitely falls into the same category as money or at least overlaps.

The same rules apply: If a women needs a man with power, she is either dysfunctional or power-hungry herself. As in she will only consider men who are powerful. These are calculating people we are talking about. Do you want a calculating mate or one that loves you even if your money and power fade or fluctuate?

If your circle of influence intersects with someone like this, and you don't win her, you again have probably done yourself a service. Unless you are also shallow regarding money and power in which case you will not be fulfilled unless you live that life, including scoring the power hungry/money hungry mate.

If you want the powerful, beautiful, successful, intelligent, perfect woman, you had better quickly get on the path of being a powerful, successful, beautiful, intelligent, perfect man.

That's just life.

Jennifer

Sure it would be nice to have a man with money and power but thats not what attracts a woman to a man. It's not even good looks because a good looking man could be a total ass and suddenly, he isn't so good looking after all.

I didn't think my ex husband was that attractive when I first met him but he was funny, courteous, romantic and just plain nice unfortunately he never grew up (still hasn't and we've been divorced for 13yrs) but thats what initally attracted me to him, not his money...he didn't have any and definitely has no power!

So Highschoolrichkid....It not money or power. If you're looking to just get women into bed, sure money and power will do it! Good luck with that and remember to wear a condom!

Avi's right. When Ivana got smart and started her own businesses and got where she didn't really 'need' (as in needy) the Donald, he moved on to fresh needy meat. Ego does funny things.

My second husband is the Alpha male where ever we go. The Alpha sense of humor, the Alpha personality...he works a crowd like nobody's business. He will have ten new friends by the time he leaves any bar or sporting event.

He had no money when we met. But he was really the coolest person I had ever met up to that point. In a hard to describe cool way. He isn't tall. Just 5'7". Average good looks. But confident. Smiles ALL the time. If he has any kind of disorder it's that he never has any kind of disorder.

So I believe CP's story and that would have been me. Flash is not what makes a normal woman stand up and notice. Flash is what makes a vain woman stand up and notice. A shallow woman. If that's all she cares about, she is dysfunctional anyway and you saved yourself from gold-digger hell. Consider it part of the culling process of life.

Jennifer

Oh, I get it...So what's impressive to a woman is a guy who pulls up in his seven year-old dirty brown Saturn car, get out of the car with a faded shirt that's frayed at the collar, and old jeans...because he can't afford any better, and offers to take you on a hot date at McDonalds,...As opposed to the man who pulls up in a black Benz and wearing a sleek suit and offers to take you to the newest hot resturuant in town, because he can afford it.. Why didn't I realize it was that easy...in that case, I'll be turning in my Escalade for a used Saturn this weeekend...:D

Oh, I get it...So what's impressive to a woman is a guy who pulls up in his seven year-old dirty brown Saturn car, get out of the car with a faded shirt that's frayed at the collar, and old jeans...because he can't afford any better, and offers to take you on a hot date at McDonalds,...As opposed to the man who pulls up in a black Benz and wearing a sleek suit and offers to take you to the newest hot resturuant in town, because he can afford it.. Why didn't I realize it was that easy...in that case, I'll be turning in my Escalade for a used Saturn this weeekend...:D


You're such a wise ass :biglaugh: How about a man who pulls up in a shiny red pick up truck with jeans on, a cowboy hat and cowboy boots and no shirt to show off his fit upper bod!

Oh, I get it...So what's impressive to a woman is a guy who pulls up in his seven year-old dirty brown Saturn car, get out of the car with a faded shirt that's frayed at the collar, and old jeans...because he can't afford any better, and offers to take you on a hot date at McDonalds,...As opposed to the man who pulls up in a black Benz and wearing a sleek suit and offers to take you to the newest hot resturuant in town, because he can afford it.. Why didn't I realize it was that easy...in that case, I'll be turning in my Escalade for a used Saturn this weeekend...:D

Bro, I find it funny that you started this thread by asking a question, yet you had your mind made up about the answer already. Even after all of the women on here and several more experienced guys told you it has nothing to do with money or power, you still cling to that concept. Maybe you should have started with the question; "Why is it that I think a guy needs money or power to get a woman?" or "Which of my needs are being met by having this belief?".

I'll give you a hint, the vast majority of millionaires that I've known drove pick up trucks- usually ones that were 3 or 4 years old. They never bragged about their money nor would you have ever known they had that much by looking at them. Why? Because when you have something, you don't go overboard trying to prove it- just knowing you have it is enough.
As an exmaple, I am 6ft 1in, and weigh around 255 pounds right now. I've been into bodybuilding and full contact fighting for some time now. I feel NO need to walk around telling people "I can beat you up". That'd be kinda sad and pathetic if someone did that, right?
The same thing goes for self-made millionaires who know about money. They feel no need to go around proving they have money by driving the newest Escalade or Hummer or wearing designer suits. In fact, if you study asset protection, you'll know that it's a little silly to have vehicles & clothing that advertise that you have money- it's a liability and it makes you a target.

So, if you're going to try to use money or power to pick up a woman, you're using a losing strategy. If you go over the top trying to prove that you have either of those, you just end up looking sad and pathetic- if it's a self aware, intelligent woman, the kind you should want to end up with. The only kind of woman you're going to end up with by using that strategy will be a liability. My advice? Make a good investment and find one that's going to be a lifelong asset.

-CP

Oh, I get it...So what's impressive to a woman is a guy who pulls up in his seven year-old dirty brown Saturn car, get out of the car with a faded shirt that's frayed at the collar, and old jeans...because he can't afford any better, and offers to take you on a hot date at McDonalds,...As opposed to the man who pulls up in a black Benz and wearing a sleek suit and offers to take you to the newest hot resturuant in town, because he can afford it.. Why didn't I realize it was that easy...in that case, I'll be turning in my Escalade for a used Saturn this weeekend...:D

If you are totally focused on looks, then probably. If scruffy was your type. You are totally focused on looks (and image and bling), so your posts and comments reflect that. If you don't like the answers then don't ask the question. :cool:

I was impressed with the man beneath the used car, his amazing personality and presence and he did wear his faded Levi's well. ;)

Jennifer

So, if you're going to try to use money or power to pick up a woman, you're using a losing strategy. If you go over the top trying to prove that you have either of those, you just end up looking sad and pathetic- if it's a self aware, intelligent woman, the kind you should want to end up with. The only kind of woman you're going to end up with by using that strategy will be a liability. My advice? Make a good investment and find one that's going to be a lifelong asset.

-CP

From the Al Pacino movie "Scarface": "First you get the power, then you get the money, then you get the women"

How about it? Is that true? Are women attracted to men who have money and power? Or are they attracted to the confident alpha-male personality that usually get the money and power?

What do you think?

It depends on the type of woman. I see beautiful women who walks around with someone who is not too good looking. Then I see women with a woman dressed in a man's clothes! :banghead:

It's a reality, especially here in the third world... if you have money you can have women... but what type of women?... usually women who "need" someone to solve their financial problems (can be applied on both sexes)

So if you are ugly but you have the money... you could probably settle for such relationship that is based on "needs" rather than love.

On the other hand... women are attracted to personality, women who are intelligent and self aware as mentioned by CP... those type of women are the one that I want to attract.... I have the money, I have the looks (i'm saying this with all humility :o ) and now I'm on my way in being a positive flirt :cool:

It depends on the type of woman. I see beautiful women who walks around with someone who is not too good looking. Then I see women with a woman dressed in a man's clothes! :banghead:

It's a reality, especially here in the third world... if you have money you can have women... but what type of women?... usually women who "need" someone to solve their financial problems (can be applied on both sexes)

So if you are ugly but you have the money... you could probably settle for such relationship that is based on "needs" rather than love.

On the other hand... women are attracted to personality, women who are intelligent and self aware as mentioned by CP... those type of women are the one that I want to attract.... I have the money, I have the looks (i'm saying this with all humility :o ) and now I'm on my way in being a positive flirt :cool:


How much money do you have and how old are you? :)

Just Kidding. Good for you! That was a great statement.