www.prop107.com

click on the hat in the upper left corner.

Seriously seems this prop wants to align itself with that.

Wow. Pretty disgusting, obviously someone at the website there does not feel strong enough about the various articles and resources they have provided and thinks they need the dramatic impact of something whack like that to provide some twisted sense of moral justification for their position.

I am opposed to gay marriage on many grounds but none of it comes from Wikipedia and WWII history. This looks like a website advocating a specific position but certainly not one from the State or even the sponsor of the bill. FWIW, many if not all of the 'benefits' of marriage are available to same-sex couples though contractual or civil tools, including the nature of the benefit programs from a very large number of employers.

One tipoff the site is pathetic is their mentioning the Rev. Fred Phelps and his truly homophobic and disgusting followers for 'celebrating' their victory if the proposition passes. Phelps is one truly vile and evil human being who has twisted and perverted the concept of religion based on his own fear, IMO.

So BillieBoJimBob, what do you think?

Is the proposition itself trying to align with that info, or is it some sick, twisted supporter of the prop?

How representative do think this is of people who oppose gay marriage?

So BillieBoJimBob, what do you think?

Is the proposition itself trying to align with that info, or is it some sick, twisted supporter of the prop?

How representative do think this is of people who oppose gay marriage?

I am seriously disturber that anyone would even use natzi anything to support their position. I admit i was so disgusted that i didn't read the wiki site whatsoever though.

But it sounds to me like they think the natzis were onto something good when they were persocuting gays.

That is seriously twisted.

I think issues of morality should remain off the ballot when citizens need to elect officials.

who's banging who doesn't have a damn thing to do with which candidate is competent enough to hold office. If people aren't citizen enough to come to the poles for that, then they should stay home! I'm getting tired of strategists throwing irrelevant crap on ballots to muster a larger turnout for their side, aren't you? :yup:

I think issues of morality should remain off the ballot when citizens need to elect officials.

who's banging who doesn't have a damn thing to do with which candidate is competent enough to hold office. If people aren't citizen enough to come to the poles for that, then they should stay home! I'm getting tired of strategists throwing irrelevant crap on ballots to muster a larger turnout for their side, aren't you? :yup:That is actually a great idea, keep the various propositions for special elections and keep the office-holder elections separate - that would make a great law, then we could wipeout two related election laws like Baseline suggested on the other thread.

That is actually a great idea, keep the various propositions for special elections and keep the office-holder elections separate - that would make a great law, then we could wipeout two related election laws like Baseline suggested on the other thread.

Interesting concept. but some might argue that it makes it easier to slip one by the people.

Or the latest in where they are saying the previously passed proposition that requires a voter to have a state issued ID card illegal. Apparently it makes it so the poor can't vote.

I guess i just can't fathom not having enough money to get an ID card but able to survive.

Interesting concept. but some might argue that it makes it easier to slip one by the people.

Or the latest in AZ where they are saying the previously passed proposition that requires a voter to have a state issued ID card illegal. Apparently it makes it so the poor can't vote.

I guess i just can't fathom not having enough money to get an ID card but able to survive.

I don't understand....

Does it cost anything for a State ID? If so, how much... eight bucks?:dontknow:

I don't understand....

Does it cost anything for a State ID? If so, how much... eight bucks?:dontknow:

Apparently that $8 infringes on everyones right to vote.

easy answer would be to make state ID card free to legal citizens.

I'ld allow my tax dollars to go to that.

Apparently that $8 infringes on everyones right to vote.

easy answer would be to make state ID card free to legal citizens.

I'ld allow my tax dollars to go to that.

me too...:thumb:

But it sounds to me like they think the natzis were onto something good when they were persocuting gays.


You people are seriously demented. Leave people alone. Sounds like Republicans. :mad:

You people are seriously demented. Leave people alone. Sounds like Republicans. :mad:

All is fair in a political forum. Be prepared for disagreement in this type of forum; that is why it was started...to separate the men from the boys.

:gun: :hapdance:

All is fair in a political forum. Be prepared for disagreement in this type of forum; that is why it was started...to separate the men from the boys.

:gun: :hapdance:I thought it was to seperate the Bullsh!t :banghead: from those who don't wanna read it. :bonk:

I thought it was to seperate the Bullsh!t :banghead: from those who don't wanna read it. :bonk:

that too :biglaugh:

I think it's a shame what they did to the gays back then and how they're singled out even today. I think they have every right as any other human being on this earth! :rulz:

I think it's a shame what they did to the gays back then and how they're singled out even today. I think they have every right as any other human being on this earth! :rulz:


I agree. I cannot relate to any form of discrimination....I think the people, who do discriminate, are stuck on stupid.

I've found them to be less-than-allowing of MANY things.
if it doesn't measure with the tape they use.

As for Nazis on a WebSite ..... I saw a guy that is practically a double for Hitler in the Gym tonight. I had to look twie, and sure enough, he has the little toothbrush mustache and dyed black hair.

People want a "free society," they'd better expect to incorporate EVERYTHING they may not like. Lest THEIR particular Beliefs are found to be suspect someday. soon perhaps.

As for Nazis on a WebSite ..... I saw a guy that is practically a double for Hitler in the Gym tonight. I had to look twie, and sure enough, he has the little toothbrush mustache and dyed black hair.

People want a "free society," they'd better expect to incorporate EVERYTHING they may not like. Lest THEIR particular Beliefs are found to be suspect someday. soon perhaps.

Was he the singer from Sparks?

Was he the singer from Sparks?
No, he was from San Diego.


Sparks is in Nevada.

No, he was from San Diego.


Sparks is in Nevada.

Boom tish - "i'm here all week"

I think issues of morality should remain off the ballot when citizens need to elect officials.

who's banging who doesn't have a damn thing to do with which candidate is competent enough to hold office. If people aren't citizen enough to come to the poles for that, then they should stay home! I'm getting tired of strategists throwing irrelevant crap on ballots to muster a larger turnout for their side, aren't you? :yup:

So Coach, our leaders need not be moral or ethical? What about lying, cheating, steeling etc.? Shouldn't our leaders be figures that we can point to as role models for our youth or anyone for that matter?
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You people are seriously demented. Leave people alone. Sounds like Republicans. :mad:

Oh, I get it...because all repulicans are bigots and racists. Penolope, you can do better than that.
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So Coach, our leaders need not be moral or ethical? What about lying, cheating, steeling etc.? Shouldn't our leaders be figures that we can point to as role models for our youth or anyone for that matter?
Junto

Once again you have failed to comprehend what I wrote. :hopeless: You even quoted it this time and still you don't get it! :confused:

I will try to go slow for you. I think moral issues should be on seperate ballots. I think that elections for office should be seperate from other ballot issues.

To answer your questions as to whether our leaders should be figures we can point to as role models for our youth or anyone for that matter, I agree. Now just so you understand what I just wrote here it is again..... I agree.

Now I have a question for you. Who in office today, or running for office, do you think is a good role model?



BTW, if you continue act like a friggin idiot who doesn't understand english, I'm just going to stop discussing anything with you. And personally I think that would be a shame, because I honestly believe you have some good ideas and a lot of potential, but your black and white view of the world is holding you back. I think you could achieve great things if you could just "get it", but I'm not going to argue with you anymore.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.:tiphat:

Once again you have failed to comprehend what I wrote. :hopeless: You even quoted it this time and still you don't get it! :confused:

I will try to go slow for you. I think moral issues should be on seperate ballots. I think that elections for office should be seperate from other ballot issues.

To answer your questions as to whether our leaders should be figures we can point to as role models for our youth or anyone for that matter, I agree. Now just so you understand what I just wrote here it is again..... I agree.

Now I have a question for you. Who in office today, or running for office, do you think is a good role model?



BTW, if you continue act like a friggin idiot who doesn't understand english, I'm just going to stop discussing anything with you. And personally I think that would be a shame, because I honestly believe you have some good ideas and a lot of potential, but your black and white view of the world is holding you back. I think you could achieve great things if you could just "get it", but I'm not going to argue with you anymore.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.:tiphat:

Coach, why do you get so angry every time you feel you are challenged? Regardless of how I comprehended or understood what you wrote I don't think such a response was warrented. I simply asked a question so you could clarify your thought and that is all. I prefer clarity over agreement on all issues and I wanted to understand you perfectly. Is this the way you speak to people in person or is it reserved for online forums?
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To paraphrase Kinky Friedman---I am all for gay marriage. I believe gays should be just as miserable and unhappy as we are. :wave:

To paraphrase Kinky Friedman---I am all for gay marriage. I believe gays should be just as miserable and unhappy as we are. :wave:You're Married AND You're unhappy already? in High School?

You people are seriously demented. Leave people alone. Sounds like Republicans. :mad:

who people?

I don't think anyone has agreed with linking to the natzis as a good thing. I think we have all more or less sided against the alligning of themselves with the natzis.....


Or are you saying we are biggots for not agreeing with the natzis....if thats the case yeah I'm a biggot.

You're Married AND You're unhappy already? in High School?

:biglaugh: I think highschoolkid better divulge his real age. He flunked a few grades LOL

To answer your questions as to whether our leaders should be figures we can point to as role models for our youth or anyone for that matter, I agree.
I'm always Curious why we single out Leaders and Sports stars and Movie Stars and other Public Figures as needing to be at a High Standard for the role as Role Model.

T'd think that would apply to EVERY Humon as their Goal.
'secially if they are the ones saying it.

I'm always Curious why we single out Leaders and Sports stars and Movie Stars and other Public Figures as needing to be at a High Standard for the role as Role Model.

T'd think that would apply to EVERY Humon as their Goal.
'secially if they are the ones saying it.

Us leaders still need someone to follow us ;)

I have seen the result of too many leaders and not enough indians.
They also generaly need to relax and enjoy themselves a little more and take things a little less seriously.

That doesn't mean that I didn't love Sir Charles moppin' the floor with Barney in their one-on-one contest a few years ago!

But he was Wrong, and he has said so publicly. HE is a Role Model.
I Am a Role Model. YOU are a Role Model. Are You Proud of the Lessons You are Shoing?

:yup:

Then write another book. HighSchoolRelationshipDisasterKid.com maybe?

Coach, why do you get so angry every time you feel you are challenged? Regardless of how I comprehended or understood what you wrote I don't think such a response was warrented. I simply asked a question so you could clarify your thought and that is all. I prefer clarity over agreement on all issues and I wanted to understand you perfectly. Is this the way you speak to people in person or is it reserved for online forums?
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Okay... last time.

Answer #1: I don't get angry when my opinion is challenged, I get angry when you (and occasionally others) repeatedly twist the meaning of what I've said under the pretense that you didn't understand. Either you truly are stupid, or you are doing it on purpose just to be a jackass. Either way, I've had enough of it!

Answer #2: When a person wants to play immature, argument games with me in person, the way you do here, I am equally as blunt. And the guilty party reacts the same way in person as they do in an online forum...:hmm:

Best of luck to you!
gm

Then write another book. HighSchoolRelationshipDisasterKid.com maybe?


If I did that I would just end up pissing off Coach Morse even more,because I'd have another book that would outsell his. :cool:

(Uh-oh. Did I just push another button, Coach? Damn!)

If I did that I would just end up pissing off Coach Morse even more,because I'd have another book that would outsell his. :cool:

(Uh-oh. Did I just push another button, Coach? Damn!)

before you can enter that competition you have to actually write a book. So your comment doesn't bug me at all HSRK.

before you can enter that competition you have to actually write a book. So your comment doesn't bug me at all HSRK.

LOL!! Good one, my friend...:tiphat:

You know, even though we disagree on alot of things, and I think our personalities are completely opposite, one of my goals is to someday sit down with you and share a german beer or two...:thumb:

LOL!! Good one, my friend...:tiphat:

You know, even though we disagree on alot of things, and I think our personalities are completely opposite, one of my goals is to someday sit down with you and share a german beer or two...:thumb:

Believe it or not.... I'd like that.:thumb:

It wouldn't surprise me if we share as many similiarities as differences.:tiphat:

later,
gm

Oh, I get it...because all repulicans are bigots and racists. Penolope, you can do better than that.
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Oh grow up.

I will definitely be voting tomorrow. I am against politicians that support gay rights, abortion, and things like that. I don't dislike gay people but I do think it's immoral and wrong and my votes will speak to that.

Are you gay?

Me? Of course not.

Do you like Gladiator movies?

I will definitely be voting tomorrow. I am against politicians that support gay rights, abortion, and things like that. I don't dislike gay people but I do think it's immoral and wrong and my votes will speak to that.

Though I'm not gay (not that theres anything wrong with that) I have to say it's a bit of a stretch to say being gay is immoral. if that were the case so would blow jobs cunninglinguis and anal be equally as immoral. Basicly all sex outside of that for procreation.

Do you use any form of birth control? (partner included) If so then how can you be against gays and abortions and things like that? Your after all doing the same thing.

Back to the original point - are you all for the alligning of your position to natziis? Cause that is who the website originally referenced is aligning with and if you are against gay marrage you are agreeing with as well.

Though I'm not gay (not that theres anything wrong with that) I have to say it's a bit of a stretch to say being gay is immoral. if that were the case so would blow jobs cunninglinguis and anal be equally as immoral. Basicly all sex outside of that for procreation.

Do you use any form of birth control? (partner included) If so then how can you be against gays and abortions and things like that? Your after all doing the same thing.

Back to the original point - are you all for the alligning of your position to natziis? Cause that is who the website originally referenced is aligning with and if you are against gay marrage you are agreeing with as well.

I align my vision with the Bible. Like I said, I don't dislike gay people at all, and would consider them friends, but I still think their lifestyle is very wrong and that we should not create laws to promote it.

I align my vision with the Bible. Like I said, I don't dislike gay people at all, and would consider them friends, but I still think their lifestyle is very wrong and that we should not create laws to promote it.

Can you point out the specific biblical statement against homosexuality?

Can you point out the specific biblical statement against homosexuality?


"The Genesis passage is very clear, that the sin of Sodom that brought on the destruction of the city was indeed linked to homosexuality." A. Mohler. 2"

"The Genesis passage is very clear, that the sin of Sodom that brought on the destruction of the city was indeed linked to homosexuality." A. Mohler. 2"


You are not referencing the bible here, totw. All you've done is reference a certain opinion of bible text by "A. Mohler". Try again?

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

we have become a society of sexually repressed, bible thumping, homophobes... Your politicians AND religious leaders (like Foley / Haggard) are the worst offenders..... hahahahaha......

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!


Here's a little tidbit for folks to consider. The most outspoken, angry critics of homosexuality are, in fact, the ones who have the strongest homosexual tendencies.... yep, that's true...:yup:

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

we have become a society of sexually repressed, bible thumping, homophobes... Your politicians AND religious leaders (like Foley / Haggard) are the worst offenders..... hahahahaha......

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!


Here's a little tidbit for folks to consider. The most outspoken, angry critics of homosexuality are, in fact, the ones who have the strongest homosexual tendencies.... yep, that's true...:yup:

Can't imagine anyone using you for any type of coaching. Our society is actually the opposite of sexually repressed...Homosexuality is wrong, and it's a sin, there is nothing repressive about that. If you consider being somone who reads the bible, loves God, and follows his teachings a bible thumper than you can call me that proudly.

Can't imagine anyone using you for any type of coaching. Our society is actually the opposite of sexually repressed...Homosexuality is wrong, and it's a sin, there is nothing repressive about that. If you consider being somone who reads the bible, loves God, and follows his teachings a bible thumper than you can call me that proudly.

"Judge not lest ye be judged." I call anyone who seeks to cram their own sense of morality down the throats of others, "Bible Thumper". I call them hypocrits as well. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Who are you to presume you can pass judgement on others???? A true Christian would not even dare elevate themselves to such a level as to consider themselves equal to the almighty! You are aparently preoccupied with removing the sliver in the eye of your brother instead of the board in your own.

Maybe you should work on that "following his teachings" part....:hopeless:

Can't imagine anyone using you for any type of coaching. Our society is actually the opposite of sexually repressed...Homosexuality is wrong, and it's a sin, there is nothing repressive about that. If you consider being somone who reads the bible, loves God, and follows his teachings a bible thumper than you can call me that proudly.

Are you sure you don't have a collection of Gladiator movies totw?

"Judge not lest ye be judged." I call anyone who seeks to cram their own sense of morality down the throats of others, "Bible Thumper". I call them hypocrits as well. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Who are you to presume you can pass judgement on others???? A true Christian would not even dare elevate themselves to such a level as to consider themselves equal to the almighty! You are aparently preoccupied with removing the sliver in the eye of your brother instead of the board in your own.

Maybe you should work on that "following his teachings" part....:hopeless:

I am not judging anyone, just giving my opinion which is biblically backed...is yours?

I am not judging anyone, just giving my opinion which is biblically backed...is yours?

I quoted the Bible three times, so you know my opinion is biblically backed, unless you are not as studious a Christian as you infer.

I quoted the Bible three times, so you know my opinion is biblically backed, unless you are not as studious a Christian as you infer.

You are assuming I am a hypocrit and bible thumper because I believe with the Bible's teachings and I admit it? Interesting! Looks like YOU need a coach!

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

we have become a society of sexually repressed, bible thumping, homophobes... Your politicians AND religious leaders (like Foley / Haggard) are the worst offenders..... hahahahaha......

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!


Here's a little tidbit for folks to consider. The most outspoken, angry critics of homosexuality are, in fact, the ones who have the strongest homosexual tendencies.... yep, that's true...:yup:
Yes and they have been disfellowshipped. Heck, I would be disfellowshipped for insisting that we have instrumental music or dancing in our worship singing. I can't imagine what engaging in homosexuality would do to a member of my church. He or she would be roundly ousted! The elders and the powers that be would be furious, I know (probably because there are little children running around through the hallways and such).

I will definitely be voting tomorrow. I am against politicians that support gay rights, abortion, and things like that. I don't dislike gay people but I do think it's immoral and wrong and my votes will speak to that.

I'm sorry totw. I didn't mean to offend you. I over reacted to this post of yours where you stated how you were going to vote. I was in a mood and it rubbed me the wrong way, because I am getting frustrated with what I perceive to be an infringement on the separation of Church and State. Combine that with the Foley and Haggard scandals, and I've just had enough. So, it wasn't you. It was just the timing of your post that served as the preverbial "straw"... that's all.

Again, I'm sorry for acting like an ass....

I'm sorry totw. I didn't mean to offend you. I over reacted to this post of yours where you stated how you were going to vote. I was in a mood and it rubbed me the wrong way, because I am getting frustrated with what I perceive to be an infringement on the separation of Church and State. Combine that with the Foley and Haggard scandals, and I've just had enough. So, it wasn't you. It was just the timing of your post that served as the preverbial "straw"... that's all.

Again, I'm sorry for acting like an ass....

Hey, thank you, I said some things I should not have said as well so I also apologize to you also.

Hey, thank you, I said some things I should not have said as well so I also apologize to you also.

Water under the bridge.....

Peace! :thumb:

I'm sorry totw. I didn't mean to offend you. I over reacted to this post of yours where you stated how you were going to vote. I was in a mood and it rubbed me the wrong way, because I am getting frustrated with what I perceive to be an infringement on the separation of Church and State. Combine that with the Foley and Haggard scandals, and I've just had enough. So, it wasn't you. It was just the timing of your post that served as the preverbial "straw"... that's all.

Again, I'm sorry for acting like an ass....

Coach, this has little to do with your dialoge with totw, but there is no such thing as "separation of Church and State." It is a commonly missunderstood falacy that our founders beleived in such a thing. You may find that many of them are "Bible-thumpers" as well.
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soooooooo ......... I'm curious what all this animosity towards each other says about ..... each other? The "discussion" here seems to have quickly spun in to one of "I'm Right, You're Wrong," which is what is actually being "discussed" in another thread. The only real difference here is the content and the masked civility and Degrees between Love and Hate this "I'm Right" discussion falls.

If it ain't Positive, if it ain't Uniting, if it ain't Allowing, it falls into the realm of Hate.


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