I don't go to church near as much as I should. But when I do and I tithe, I notice good things happen like money coming to me from unexpected places. Tithing might be help you if you are having a hard time with finances. :yup:

I've never done it, but I don't really go to church either. Good idea though, Daniel. But for me it'd seem like the money would disappear in a black hole. =)

And tithing in not actually limited to church. I have noticed that when I give and am generous with what I have, I tend to receive more as well. Like danielx said I also notice good things happen like money coming to me from unexpected places.

So I would recommend that everyone give to those who need and give to worthy causes, whether that be at church or outside church. God and the universe tend to smile upon giving. I think there is some truth to the saying "give and you shall receive." :)

I don't go to church near as much as I should. But when I do and I tithe, I notice good things happen like money coming to me from unexpected places. Tithing might be help you if you are having a hard time with finances. :yup:

Your life needs to flow out from you to bless others. You need not give to just a Church, but if 10% isn't earmarked to bless others, and/or teach yourself how you can help others, then you will short yourself. I had done some tithing in the past. At times, I can't say I saw much, but I am back to it again.

- Richard

Yes I think tithing is important and I do it regularly.

While I agree tithing is important... one has to realize that the act of tithing isn't going to make you more money... but it does teach us how to manage your money, as well as appreciate the gifts we have been given. Money going to other causes helps put your goals and dreams into perspective.

Can someone post the definition of "tithing"?

It's paying 1/10 of your income to the church.

It's paying 1/10 of your income to the church.
Thank you. :D

i didn't know what tithing was until i looked it up in the dictionary a couple of days ago.

my firm belief on donations to the community is that they should be directed to one source only thereby maximising the potential of that source. i donate once a year to an anti-violence organisation, and say NO to everyone else, no matter how needy.

I also very strongly believe that charity should be provided on a localised level, you may feel good helping feed the poor of the world, but what about the poor in your own community? are you thinking that somone 10,000 miles away deserves the food more than the person on your front doorstep, i think not.

take the emotion out of the equation.

natural attrition is a biological reality, if nothing ever became extinct, if we saved everyone, where would we be?

it's a large, varied and complex arguament about how to save the world, and difficult decisions have to be made. but if you could fix every issue in your localised area, and teach others to do the same, and so on, and so on - do you think that that may have more of an effect than getting upset about something you have absolutely no control over?

sorry, we were talking about tithing weren't we!

It's paying 1/10 of your income to the church.Some people, like myself, have redefined it as giving 10% of your income to people, organizations, charity or causes that would forward love, peace, happiness and prosperity in the world, which I personally believe is something that God wants all people to have. I personally don't tithe to the church because I think that God's work can be furthered by me tithing to other things that are more effective (in my mind).

The Bible and other great works have said that if you give you shall receive. I think that is true, especially in the long run.

Yeah that makes sense too, especially if one is not religious or a church goer. I don't tithe myself, but I do see merit in the concept. And I have definitely noticed with some, that the more they seem to give, the more they do receive.

in a word tom, what you are talking about in reciprocity.

i think that it's one of those natural laws, not unlike kharma, where you get back what you give. in fact i would suggest that the get back far more than you give, but how to measure that would be a statitical nightmare.

in a word tom, what you are talking about in reciprocity.

i think that it's one of those natural laws, not unlike kharma, where you get back what you give. in fact i would suggest that the get back far more than you give, but how to measure that would be a statitical nightmare.I agree! I call that "Ten Times the Value for 1/10th the Cost." Meaning ...... what you invest comes back Ten-Fold. It may not be in the same form as you invested (Time, Money, Effort, etc) but it will come back! I might add that even as it comes back, it may not be directly to you! So be aware of what you sow, because that is also what you reap!

Tithing good also mean: Helping others solve their problems, cheering someone up, being kind to others, taking time to spend with lonely people, taching others how to improve their lives, etc..

Rick,

My understanding of the word Tithe originates as a donation of 1/10th of ones income to ones church or religious party. Some references either call it or identify it as a tax. Modern interpretations are more generous, but still ask for the 10% donation on a purely volunteer basis. And more people accept the even more generous action of giving to organizations, charities, groups, etc, because they are not alligned with a particular religious group.

What you suggest is what I call Life, and Contribution, not tithe. To Inspire, to Cheer, to Console, to Teach, to Love is what makes Life. One cannot mandate that as a tithe. It must come from the Heart, for the good of both the Giver and the Recipient. And my continued belief is what you give, you receive back 10 fold. The Law of "Ten / Ten" - Ten Times the Value for 1/10th the cost.

I am generally apolitical, however i dont think i could ever ive money to the church. I dont think they really need more money not in England anyway, biggest land owners aside from the queen, more equity in buildings than almost any other corproation, and what do they do with it.... (I am actually wondering as I wite what 10 percent of that could do)

I am very cynical about 'the church' the actions of individuals need to be supported more than a corporation designed to perpetuate itself (and hide child molesters and embezelers etc). SO give to charities, give to causes, give to the guy in the doorway on a freezing January morning but tell the church to organise its priorities before they come knocking on my door.

But then I guess it depends in your religion...now those guys trying to make Jedi a religion, maybe they could use few bucks!

I am generally apolitical, however i dont think i could ever ive money to the church. I dont think they really need more money not in England anyway, biggest land owners aside from the queen, more equity in buildings than almost any other corproation, and what do they do with it.... (I am actually wondering as I wite what 10 percent of that could do)

I am very cynical about 'the church' the actions of individuals need to be supported more than a corporation designed to perpetuate itself (and hide child molesters and embezelers etc). SO give to charities, give to causes, give to the guy in the doorway on a freezing January morning but tell the church to organise its priorities before they come knocking on my door.

But then I guess it depends in your religion...now those guys trying to make Jedi a religion, maybe they could use few bucks!

Hear Hear!

The people translating the Bible into Klingon might need a few bucks too. ;)

i'd like to translate the bible into klingon, so send the bucks here!

The last census in the UK someone put down their occupation as "Jedi Knight". :)

The last census in the UK someone put down their occupation as "Jedi Knight". :)

I guess that beats what the guy really is: "unemployed collector of Star Wars memorabilia"... ;)

Rick,

My understanding of the word Tithe originates as a donation of 1/10th of ones income to ones church or religious party. Some references either call it or identify it as a tax. Modern interpretations are more generous, but still ask for the 10% donation on a purely volunteer basis. And more people accept the even more generous action of giving to organizations, charities, groups, etc, because they are not alligned with a particular religious group.

What you suggest is what I call Life, and Contribution, not tithe. To Inspire, to Cheer, to Console, to Teach, to Love is what makes Life. One cannot mandate that as a tithe. It must come from the Heart, for the good of both the Giver and the Recipient. And my continued belief is what you give, you receive back 10 fold. The Law of "Ten / Ten" - Ten Times the Value for 1/10th the cost.Well, you really shouldn't tithe on the assumption of getting something back. It should also be freely given. Otherwise it simply becomes a tax or obligation and is no longer a gift.

I agree with Scott. If you are tithing to a church or giving to a charity, the step you are taking is to give... not with the expectation of a return. This theory can be seen working in our business, social and personal lives. Many times by giving financially or of our time, we end up receiving back more than we ever expected... the key factor being we shouldn't have the expectation.

Also, I found this article interesting about Idea Tithing (http://www.oneminutemillionaire.com/articles/ideaTithing.asp) which the author says is giving 1/10 of your intellectual effort towards concepts that benefit others. While I do not know anything about that site, I thought folks might find this interesting.

Interesting concept there, idea tithing.

Well, you really shouldn't tithe on the assumption of getting something back. It should also be freely given. Otherwise it simply becomes a tax or obligation and is no longer a gift.I don't believe I said anything about expectation of getting anything back. That it happens is part of the process.

And the really cool thing about it? YOU may not be the recipient! It might be for the Greater Good! I don't expect it directed bck to me, but I do know it shows up someplace. When I do something with the intention of helping someone as I'd like my mother treated (1100 miles away) guess what? I will almost always hear of a "nice young man" doing something unexpected.

I have found the People like to and WANT to give,
they just usually don't know how.


Give from the Heart.
And receive from the Heart as well.

Give from the Heart.
And receive from the Heart as well.I like that quote.

The biggest problem with expectations is that when you don't get what you're expecting, you are either disappointed or upset! :D

I find it interesting that some people don't know how to give, but are very capable of taking. And then there are the opposite, people who are very good at giving, but don't know how to receive. Somewhere in the middle is the balance we should all strive for.

I think that you should be open to receiving something, but not expecting to receive something (there is a difference).

And that idea tithing sounds neat. Who says that you have to have money to help someone. Sometimes just talking with someone or even just listening to them will make all the difference in the world. Sometimes a good piece of advice or some timely information will save the day too.

I personally like the Idea of Tithing. Because it helps remind you to give a set ammount you have determined. Money or Time or Resurces. If it becomes a "I think i'll do something good today", and you don't do that the other 6 days of the week, it starts the "Christmas & Thanksgiving Syndrom" - People ALWAYS want to "help" at that time of the year, as long as it fits their schedule. The point of the Tithe? MAKE ROOM FOR IT! Decide now how much or how you will do this!

Look for the opportunities presented to you every day on how to give.
Be Creative! And the Universe will in kind be creative too!

I'm not happy because I give.

I'm Happy .... and I Give!

It's paying 1/10 of your income to the church.

It doesn't have to be church

The benefits come from a mentality of abundance. If you are greedy and try to hold on to everything for yourself, you will tend to attract people/situations that align themselves with a mentality of scarcity

It's paying 1/10 of your income to the church.
that is true 1/10 of your income today but it was originally 1/10 of your possessions. Deut. 14 chpt deals with tithing law. The tithe was taken to Jerusalem to the storehouse at the temple. In the days of its institution there was a central place for all tithing the temple. The jewish tithing was more like 30% total when the first fruits, and other offerings were tallied.
For instance the corners of fields were reserved for the poor, anything that fell to the ground could not be picked up, it to was for the poor.The 10th was how the levites lived since they had no farmland, their duty was to the temple and the other tribes supported them by paying tithes.

It doesn't have to be church

The benefits come from a mentality of abundance. If you are greedy and try to hold on to everything for yourself, you will tend to attract people/situations that align themselves with a mentality of scarcity
Bravo so many people miss the idea behind the institution of tithing it is to give you the idea of abundance, it is to impress upon the person giving that abundance mentality. That mentality also excludes competition since abundance flows from the CREATOR it is quoted in the bible " that you may know that it is GOD that gives you the power to get wealth" Deut. 8:18 If one sees the UNIVERSAL as the source then you can not believe in scarcity.

You can have one of my Pumpkins growing in the back yard! :D

Be your own authority and waste and/or give your money as you see fit.

This post is not a slam on you or your personal religious beliefs; it is a slam on the scams that religious leaders perpetuate.

I've been inside the Vatican. The Roman Catholic Church probably has several billion dollars worth of art, gold-inlayed ceilings, and architecture, yet millions of devoted Catholics worldwide are impoverished and dying while their leaders live in luxury.

Religious leaders of all faiths live at least comfortably unless they choose to impoverish/starve themselves for whatever reasons. When people finally learn that organized religions are parasitical structures designed to convince people to give them hard earned money so they can live wealthy lives without lifting a productive finger, only then will these leaders be forced to become productive citizens or die off. They really don't hold the key or knowledge to or hold power over your salvation in some mythical afterlife.

Add up your gains and losses and subtract those totals from each other. Are you at a break even? Typically, only when someone gains do they add a point to the mystical scoreboard that giving will result in receiving gifts or favors from heaven. When you experience a loss you probably discount it as bad luck or "things happen for a reason" or "God must have wanted it that way". Divine intervention, good things come to those who wait, those that give will receive, sacrificing one's self for a higher good, and tithing in order to gain favor in the eyes of God and Church are all frauds.

I didn't see any evidence that an all-knowing and all-loving God intervened when terrorists slammed jets into buildings or when they detonate explosives on civilian buses. Besides the insane terrorists, what did the people in those buildings and on those jets and buses do to deserve that kind of horrific death? Did they skip on donations that previous Sunday? Or more accurately, maybe they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is the crux of my argument here - good and bad things happen regardless of what you put out into the "universe", and things happen at the same time as other happenstance - randomly and coincidentally. It's easy to find mystical evidence to support your mystical beliefs when you are looking for it, even if the results can be just as easily predicted by flipping a coin.

Instead of me giving the needy a (metaphorical) fish for one meal, I'd rather teach them to fish (better themselves) so they can feed (continually improve) themselves for a lifetime.

This will probably annoy some people who think it's the current "cool" thing to believe in, but the same applies to KARMA!!!

This will probably annoy some people who think it's the current "cool" thing to believe in, but the same applies to KARMA!!!

Also add Reincarnation and Luck to the list of frauds created and perpetuated by external authorities.

...The Roman Catholic Church probably has several billion dollars worth of art, gold-inlayed ceilings, and architecture...

Correction: Some of the art the Vatican possesses is actually priceless.

Religious leaders also build up false images of their spiritual "worth" by constantly using non-sequiturs - i.e. making a statement or claim or action that does not logically follow or have anything to do with what came before.

They commission famous or popular artists in order to lend legitimacy to their religious causes and to make themselves look important.

Yes I think tithing is important and I do it regularly.

Robert Allen and Mark Visctor Hanson read a really good chapter in their book "the one minute millionaire"

they said in essence " the more you give the more you receive" this is a law of Nature, isn't it?

I've been paying my tithing for more than 15 years now and I know we receive a lot. sometimes with money, but often with a better character. By learning to give, you put others first AND you feel good. And that is the beauty of tithing. True achievers give. And the more you achieve, the more you give.

This is how you aquire wisdom and faith to move forward in the world.

I never lack anything. Even my collegues, who earn much more than me and don't pay tithing are envious and say "If I had a raise? " I say "Pay your tithing" and you'll have your pay check doubled" Nobody knows how but the fact is.

Pay always your tithing and this is how you will become rich, very rich.

Emmanuel SEGUI :cool:

Robert Allen and Mark Visctor Hanson read a really good chapter in their book "the one minute millionaire"

they said in essence " the more you give the more you receive" this is a law of Nature, isn't it?

I've been paying my tithing for more than 15 years now and I know we receive a lot. sometimes with money, but often with a better character. By learning to give, you put others first AND you feel good. And that is the beauty of tithing. True achievers give. And the more you achieve, the more you give.

This is how you aquire wisdom and faith to move forward in the world.

I never lack anything. Even my collegues, who earn much more than me and don't pay tithing are envious and say "If I had a raise? " I say "Pay your tithing" and you'll have your pay check doubled" Nobody knows how but the fact is.

Pay always your tithing and this is how you will become rich, very rich.

Emmanuel SEGUI :cool:

Hi, and welcome to the jungle.

I'll have to disagree with you because I'm living proof that opportunities and benefits are available everywhere and you don't have to tithe in order to receive. There is no great score keeper in the sky, just in the minds of mystics. I'm responsible for what good fortune I create for myself and for what actions I take in order to prosper and to get ahead in my life.

Hi, and welcome to the jungle.

I'll have to disagree with you because I'm living proof that opportunities and benefits are available everywhere and you don't have to tithe in order to receive. There is no great score keeper in the sky, just in the minds of mystics. I'm responsible for what good fortune I create for myself and for what actions I take in order to prosper and to get ahead in my life.

thanks for your posting.

Of course you can receive without tithing. fortunatly for us. There will always be people who prosper without giving. and that's their life.

What I mean is that egoism is our greatest challenge in this life. Giving allow us to become more altruist, think and care about others: that is true happiness.

Tithing is just a way of giving and of gratitude. There are a lot of alternative ways.

the point is to give. At least, this is my philosophy of life.

Thanks again and I look forward for your response.

Emmanuel

One thing that religious leaders and political leaders try to convince us is that we have to think of other people first and to sacrifice ourselves or to sacrifice our money for the good of the group. I believe that the individual is more important than the group. I also believe that giving has no bearing on what we receive. Opportunities that happen to show up at coincidental times are just opportunities, and not generated by some type of karmic mechanism run by a God or angels or even nature. True creators make opportunities for themselves.

I'll help others if I choose to, and in my own way. Personally, I think it is a waste of hard-earned money to give it to mystical organizations like churches. There are potentially productive yet impoverished people out there that could benefit from monetary assistance much more than the hidden thieves that pretend to be authorities on people's mystical salvation.