The Success Vibe I've enjoyed since I joined has taken a turn towards a more negative vibe since shortly after the arrival of the folks from the TR forum.

I think most of these people are fantastic. However, some of them brought poison with them. Tom has made changes based on requests in good faith, but more and more, each thread is having politics and religion injected into it. It results in people (myself included) feeling compelled to take a stand, which leads to arguments fueled with anger and contempt.

I don't like the vibe here any more. I don't enjoy posting here any more. Instead of bringing out the best in me, my participation on this forum is bringing out the worst in me.

To be honest with everyone, I can understand why the lounge was shut down on the TR forum.

I agree Coach. I think there are a few people who post seemingly to incite. Earlier on I registered my concern with Tom and I appreciate his support and response. I have found myself simply ignoring that tiny minority of folks who have primarily nasty, negative posts to offer.

What do you suggest Coach, RMG?

I don't think the TR folks want to come here and create bad feelings. I think on balance there has been both positive and some negative things said over the last few weeks.

But looking forward and being proactive... what would you like to see different and how?

Paul

What do you suggest Coach, RMG?

I don't think the TR folks want to come here and create bad feelings. I think on balance there has been both positive and some negative things said over the last few weeks.

But looking forward and being proactive... what would you like to see different and how?

Paul

Hi Paul,

I agree that the TR folks have not come her to create bad feelings. In fact, the couple of folks I"m ignoring, well, I don't even know if they are/were TR folks.

I simply suggest ignoring the bitchy, moany, good-for-nothing posters. 99 times out of 100 they have virutally no value to offer. They seem to be here either to incite or perhaps this is a place to escape from the misery they've created in other parts of thier life. Ignoring will mean they no longer have a venue for their nastiness.

I simply suggest ignoring the bitchy, moany, good-for-nothing posters. 99 times out of 100 they have virutally no value to offer. They seem to be here either to incite or perhaps this is a place to escape from the misery they've created in other parts of thier social life. Ignoring will mean they no longer have venue for their nastiness.

Well I can agree with that too. I think the IGNORE function, or the self-discipline of IGNORE too works wonders. A fire needs oxygen, a flamer or troll needs attention.

I think there is a difference between debate, standing for ones beliefs, being prepared to defend them and just making mischief.

I would add though that politics and religion are not the only things people get heated under the collar over. I have seen plenty of passion related to protein, green drinks, alkalizing, law of attraction and lots of other things. I think its human nature. Some people like to argue, some people like attention, some people see the glass half full and others half empty etc etc.

We learn as much about ourselves and how we deal with them here as we do outside.

I understand some people like to come here maybe as a "safe" place from all that. But I don't know if it is ever going to be truely possible. Not as more people come here. Because the world doesn't operate like that.

Here is an idea, off the top of my head... which may fall like a lead balloon, but something to consider anyway...

a positive only sub forum.... a place literally where no negativity is allowed.

Chicken soup for the soul type thing...

then if people really don't want to get wrapped up in anything else when they come here, they can be assured that this one place is really where negativity is not tolerated. A good dose of PMA. It's just an idea...

I know some people may say that the site should be like that... I disagree only in the sense that I think personal growth comes with confronting reality sometimes, sometimes we have to move away from pain. This isn't always a positive process (not in the short term). If others don't want to hear that or see it, they can have a place to go too.

Paul

Define Negative _______________________________________________

Define Positive ________________________________________________

Here is an idea, off the top of my head... which may fall like a lead balloon, but something to consider anyway...

a positive only sub forum.... a place literally where no negativity is allowed.

Chicken soup for the soul type thing...

then if people really don't want to get wrapped up in anything else when they come here, they can be assured that this one place is really where negativity is not tolerated. A good dose of PMA. It's just an idea...
Paul

I like that 1 forum where thats all there is - add a few moderators just for there so they can quickly kill bad comments.

..... or just have the foresight to not make those comments in the first place? Is that an option?

Does everyone need Moderators in their Daily off-the-board Lives too?

I like that 1 forum where thats all there is - add a few moderators just for there so they can quickly kill bad comments.
There already IS that forum available ..... It's Called a Private Chat Room.

I think by now, we should have learned about self control, and how forums work. It is simple to look at the first thread, and know if it'll turn out into a mess or not and whether to avoid it or not. I don't feel negative vibes here because I don't usually participate in political or religious debate threads.

Only you can change your outlook of the forum and life for that matter and by choosing the right threads to get into, you won't find yourself feeling down or angry.

Excellent post applewormy. I also do not ever feel a need to focus on a negative thread unless I feel a need to post in it. My choice. There are right now, threads running that I have not bothered to read past the second post. Again, my choice.

Exercise your power of choice wisely. I think one of the most powerful choices is simply to walk away. Peacefully.

Personally I do not like to see any personal attacks going on, I don't care who the poster is. Whether I consider them to be a friend or not. I would prefer to maintain a more positive tone here too!

PRINCIPLES BEFORE PERSONALITIES.

Sure we joke around and tease each other... that is okay. As long as it is not sexual harassment, etc. But this name calling, swearing in posts, swearing in chat, posting PM's, character assasinations are NOT what this forum needs. I too have seen some mud slinging around here. It makes me loose respect for those who partake in that.

This NEVER happened before the influx of TR people. There are no other mods here except Tom. To post and expect someone else to moderate or clean up the posts - means you shouldn't be posting those comments to begin with.

Sure we have silly threads here... that is okay - to an extent. It is the polarizing threads that do the damage, not only here but at any forum.

I am sure Tom will have no choice but to BAN people who continually do the mud slinging thing at some point. At least keep the posts about the TOPIC and not about the PERSON posting it, if you are disagreeing!

A little respect goes a long way - and NO respect is a quick path to making enemies and creating ILL WILL all around.

I have seen a number of retaliatory posts here lately and it makes me feel like this! :banghead: I must admit I am disappointed in some people around here.

One analogy I would like to make is this: TOM has invited us all into his home. We have had supper and are sitting around talking. Some people start nasty and major fights. WOULD YOU act like this in person in REAL LIFE, if you were a guest in someone's home? If you wouldn't - prehaps it is time to re-evaluate your attitudes and actions here. ENOUGH MUD SLINGING ALREADY in my opinion. Rational and respectful debate is one thing. Being defensive and ready to retaliate - shows me the person should be above revenge on a success driven forum like this. That is my .02 cents... I am getting off my soap box now.

It seems many posters have chosen to move beyond the "Dating" and "Honeymoon" phases of this relationship. How does this show up in Life outside these Boards?



How You do Anything is How You do Everything

True... Coach, there are some of us T/R immigrants that simply refuse to read or participate in inflamatory threads. It's a skill I learned before I got here and continues to serve me well. If something is obviously meant to incite you, why take the bait?

-CP

PRINCIPLES BEFORE PERSONALITIES.



Nice! :thumb:

As a 'newbie' to this forum, the only things I've been surprised about are people's reactions to some of these threads.

Removing difficult threads? What the hell for. Isn't that censorship? Nobody said you had to read them or post in them. Freedom of speech is a pretty big deal isn't it?

If the thread is negative, then let a bunch of negative people post on it, or, better yet, post a few positive posts and see where it goes. Perhaps Tom can start up negativevibe where people go to wallow and be pathetic.

Me? I don't go to the politics threads much. Nor the lounge too much. Total respect for those who do but I have other areas of focus.

Come on, Coach. It ain't that bad. Different views keep things interesting, doncha' think? Perhaps it's a test to see who really belongs in a forum called successvibe and who can't hack it. I can hack it....bring the negativity....it doesn't stand a chance. Come on vibers, war on lame threads!! Charrrrge!!!!

Like CP and others....... I ignore the stupid stuff in here, like I do in the "real" world. It doesn't serve me- or others. But what I find is when you ignore trolls, they go away; when you respond when YOU want to, rather than be baited, you control the conversation (because it does take two...); and when someone gets really stupid? I don't need to prove anything to a stupid person- I care about the respect of good people. Because when you ignore someone....... they go away.

Don't let a few bad eggs ruin your experience- control your experience.

The Success Vibe I've enjoyed since I joined has taken a turn towards a more negative vibe since shortly after the arrival of the folks from the TR forum.

I think most of these people are fantastic. However, some of them brought poison with them. Tom has made changes based on requests in good faith, but more and more, each thread is having politics and religion injected into it. It results in people (myself included) feeling compelled to take a stand, which leads to arguments fueled with anger and contempt.

I don't like the vibe here any more. I don't enjoy posting here any more. Instead of bringing out the best in me, my participation on this forum is bringing out the worst in me.

To be honest with everyone, I can understand why the lounge was shut down on the TR forum.


Coach, I am not trying to be mean....but you have been horribly rude to a lot of people, way before the TR people came here.

Coach,

I am sorry to hear that you feel this way. Our intentions are really for the better, just sometimes certain people get out of control which is too bad.

I really liked what Wanderer said in another thread and therefore I am quoting him:


we all have the right to believe, live, and think as we wish,

Just remember that to be civil to eachother and to coexist in the world or in the forum, agreement under one of these systems is not necessary, only mutal respect.


Well put Wanderer!! :thumb:

Hi Paul,

I agree that the TR folks have not come her to create bad feelings. In fact, the couple of folks I"m ignoring, well, I don't even know if they are/were TR folks.

I simply suggest ignoring the bitchy, moany, good-for-nothing posters. 99 times out of 100 they have virutally no value to offer. They seem to be here either to incite or perhaps this is a place to escape from the misery they've created in other parts of thier life. Ignoring will mean they no longer have a venue for their nastiness.


That is like every forum I have ever been to. We had a lot of nastiness before they got here, remember when Coach and highschool went at it. Highschool always was diplomatic, where Coach wasn't.

..... or just have the foresight to not make those comments in the first place? Is that an option?

Does everyone need Moderators in their Daily off-the-board Lives too?

true true!!!

I have a choice in this forum: I can respond to the people and posts I want to. I love the Democratic way. I don't want to be in a forum where someone is constantly trying to control the forum, or who constantly breathes down the member's necks.

Said this before,

Maturity and self control are important in communication of any kind, doubly so in Political and Religious discussions. Internalizing or personalizing these occasionally heated discussions is a recipe for disappointment and anger as clearly shown on the now closed threads.

Many of we newer members here came here for freedom to discuss potentially contentious issues as that freedom was deemed 'undesirable' and 'non-productive' and 'un-related' to the supposed goal of another forum and was summarily removed.

So long as Tom does not mind the occasional moderator duty of separating the fighters in the corner, and so long as participants can remain focused on the issues and not the personalities, can make an honest attempt to accurately reflect what is said, and refrain from over-the-top namecalling I would prefer we maintain the freedom with a request to self-police as much as possible. Freedom demands responsibility.

In the words of Bill and Ted, 'Be excellent to each other, and Party On!"

Agreed KG. I haven't even seen half as much of the agressiveness of discussions here as I did on TR. They just haven't seen you and Jenni go head to head. What happened to that?:lildevil:

Agreed KG. I haven't even seen half as much of the agressiveness of discussions here as I did on TR. They just haven't seen you and Jenni go head to head. What happened to that?:lildevil:Like it needs to be encouraged?

Like it needs to be encouraged?

No it doesn't. KG will catch my ribbing though, hence the red devil. Actually I'm impressed by the level-headedness of most folks since coming to the not so heavily moderated forum, myself included:tiphat: no?;)

I don't think anything should be changed. I definitely agree with KG...maturity and self-control. Most of us are guilty of losing it at one point or another (not me of course :o ).

Maybe if we can omit the nasty pm's and name calling. Most of it is just opinions and of course no one is going to change what you believe but to hear other peoples opinions, it gives you an idea of who and what that person is about.

You said what needed to be said and called a spade a spade. Just one look at the thread to Zaul and you can see the nasty clique they have going. I agree that not all of them are that way, but it is certainly a number of them.

I believe that much of the abusive language is a result of people being anonymous. There's no better excuse for being irresponsible than people not knowing who you are.

Acknowledging that some people do have a good reason for being anonymous to others (at least *they* feel they have a good reason) and it is obvious that this is not going to change. I believe that as long as we are going to accept anonymity, we are going to have to accept abusive language and personal insults.

There is a simple remedy, of course. Ignore it. Do not respond to it. Give it the value it deserves by dedicating your time accordingly.

If someone calls you an idiot, or worse, you will not change their mind by kicking back and will all to soon prove them right!

The solution is not in demanding or hoping or wishing the offenders stop - it is paying them no heed and spending your time on better pursuits. IOW - YOU are the solution, not them!

I believe that much of the abusive language is a result of people being anonymous. There's no better excuse for being irresponsible than people not knowing who you are.

Acknowledging that some people do have a good reason for being anonymous to others (at least *they* feel they have a good reason) and it is obvious that this is not going to change. I believe that as long as we are going to accept anonymity, we are going to have to accept abusive language and personal insults.

There is a simple remedy, of course. Ignore it. Do not respond to it. Give it the value it deserves by dedicating your time accordingly.

If someone calls you an idiot, or worse, you will not change their mind by kicking back and will all to soon prove them right!

The solution is not in demanding or hoping or wishing the offenders stop - it is paying them no heed and spending your time on better pursuits. IOW - YOU are the solution, not them!
So You won't mind when I reMind You of this suggestion? and You'll reMember what You meant at this time and not then?

Oh yeah, play the poor victim and maybe they will go away. :rolleyes:

...Maybe if we can omit the nasty pm's and name calling. Most of it is just opinions and of course no one is going to change what you believe but to hear other peoples opinions, it gives you an idea of who and what that person is about.One sure way to curb the nasty PMs is to make PMs public.

I take this opportunity of warning anyone who sends me a nasty PM will - repeat, WILL - see it posted on this board.

So You won't mind when I reMind You of this suggestion? and You'll reMember what You meant at this time and not then?I think you mean that I should follow my own advice (Cannot guarantee that!!) and that I should not put any spin on it (Cannot guarantee that!!) and that I must right now forego any wiggle room that it might contain (Cannot guarantee that!!)

Oh, but you are free to remind me of anything you wish, Cap'm.


Other than the above, it was a good suggestion, eh?

Oh yeah, play the poor victim and maybe they will go away. :rolleyes:You are free to play whatever you will, Penelope, or not. I would call it taking the high ground.

You said what needed to be said and called a spade a spade. Just one look at the thread to Zaul and you can see the nasty clique they have going. I agree that not all of them are that way, but it is certainly a number of them.

Penelope,

This post of yours only fuels the negativity that Coach is talking about. Your comments insight an "us" and "them" mentality, seperating the group to then achieve what? I'm sorry, but you cannot sit up on a high chair looking down on everyone and claim to not be involved.

As for Coaches post:

How do we turn this around? I agree that when I first came here there was a lot of chips on people shoulders, that seems to have gone now. So that is a positive.

Maybe Tom can select some of his closer posters, those that have been aroud since the beginning, and form a code of conduct. This is Toms forum, and as a guest, I am more then happy to abide by his code.

Once a code of conduct is in place, it's up to all posters to not just adhere to it, also to call out behaviour that falls below that code. The code should contain both good, and not so good behaviours, so people have an indication as to what they should do.

What to do when people exhibit poor behaviour? Maybe something like the reputation, where others can select a rating on your commenst/behaviour. If your negative comments go high enough, you are warned, and then suspended. If each rating was a 1,2, or 3, (3 being the worst behaviour), then you get warned when you reach 30, and suspended at 50, or something like that. I'm just throwing something out there....let get solutions!!

Mark

I think you mean that I should follow my own advice (Cannot guarantee that!!) and that I should not put any spin on it (Cannot guarantee that!!) and that I must right now forego any wiggle room that it might contain (Cannot guarantee that!!)

Oh, but you are free to remind me of anything you wish, Cap'm.


Other than the above, it was a good suggestion, eh?
Life is not a series of Guarantees Spider, but You can do MUCH better than that.
If You cannot (or more likely, are unwilling to) Follow You Own Advice, Perhaps You might want to think twice (or more) before slathering it around to others.

Life is not a series of Guarantees Spider, but You can do MUCH better than that.
If You cannot (or more likely, are unwilling to) Follow You Own Advice, Perhaps You might want to think twice (or more) before slathering it around to others.I'm sure 'others' are quite capable of avoiding or embracing my 'slatherings,' as they see fit.

I shall take it, then, that you want me to think twice before my 'slatherings' touch *you.*

I'll think about that. But if you are not as capable as everyone else at avoiding or embracing, perhaps I shouldn't concern myself.

ha ha - they said slather :D

Come on now…..Kiss and make-up!!
:kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3:
LOL!! LOL!! LOL!!

ha ha - they said slather :D

with butter

Pucker up and Butter up and Kiss you two!!
:kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3: :kiss3:
LOL!! LOL!! LOL!

I'm sure 'others' are quite capable of avoiding or embracing my 'slatherings,' as they see fit.

I shall take it, then, that you want me to think twice before my 'slatherings' touch *you.* If you do, you will have taken the message wrong, both in content an intent. If you try to read too much into anything, you will. Read to much into it, I mean. I'll think about that. But if you are not as capable as everyone else at avoiding or embracing, perhaps I shouldn't concern myself.I don't think I suggested you do anything more than to think about it. Did I?

with butter
for the lobstah'

One sure way to curb the nasty PMs is to make PMs public.
.. I take this opportunity of warning anyone who sends me a nasty PM will - repeat, WILL - see it posted on this board.I have this minute received a most vile and hateful PM from someone whose name I will not mention but whose initials are BBJB. I am so aghast at the ferocous nature of the insult that I am lost for words.

Here it is as promised ---

"your a meanie..."


For goodness sake! He couldn't even insult me in proper Emglish!

You're, BBJB -- not your -- you're!!!!!

I have this minute received a most vile and hateful PM from someone whose name I will not mention but whose initials are BBJB. I am so aghast at the ferocous nature of the insult that I am lost for words.

Here it is as promised ---

"your a meanie..."


For goodness sake! He couldn't even insult me in proper Emglish!

You're, BBJB -- not your -- you're!!!!!Emglish?

Emglish?
Damn! Caught!!!

EMglish Nuffin anyone??? LOL!! LOL!!

:coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

I think CerebralPrimate hit the nail on the head in his practice of ignoring negative threads. Lets set a new tone in this forum in which negativity is ignored instead of stirred up into a frenzy with retorts that are just as toxic and antagonstic.
If this type of atmosphere established then newcomers will likely follow suit and conform. Furthermore, negative people will not be involved in a forum that only promotes and responds to positive and respectful discussions.
In regards to setting a new tone, I was blown away last night when I read a post by Tim 4077 in a response to a fair-minded and respectful critisism by MantaRayz. He responded by thanking Manta for enlightening him about a possible flaw in his reasoning because he would want to be corrected when he is in the wrong. I want to thank Tim because his response will change my way of communicating indefinitely(I hope you guys keep me accountable to this!)
I mentioned this post because I beleive it is imparitive to adopt this type of attitude so that we can exchange ideas and discuss even the most passion evoking topics in a positive and enlightening manner. Lets set a new tone guys.
Junto

I think CerebralPrimate hit the nail on the head in his practice of ignoring negative threads. Lets set a new tone in this forum in which negativity is ignored instead of stirred up into a frenzy with retorts that are just as toxic and antagonstic.
If this type of atmosphere established then newcomers will likely follow suit and conform. Furthermore, negative people will not be involved in a forum that only promotes and responds to positive and respectful discussions.
In regards to setting a new tone, I was blown away last night when I read a post by Tim 4077 in a response to a fair-minded and respectful critisism by MantaRayz. He responded by thanking Manta for enlightening him about a possible flaw in his reasoning because he would want to be corrected when he is in the wrong. I want to thank Tim because his response will change my way of communicating indefinitely(I hope you guys keep me accountable to this!)
I mentioned this post because I beleive it is imparitive to adopt this type of attitude so that we can exchange ideas and discuss even the most passion evoking topics in a positive and enlightening manner. Lets set a new tone guys.
Junto

As usual, well said Junto! :thumb:

EMglish Nuffin anyone??? LOL!! LOL!!

:coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
I don't have enny Narmalade. :dontknow:

I don't have enny Narmalade. :dontknow:
:popcorn2: Will that do instead? :p

Maybe we should be treating these negative threads (the ones where people start bickering and disrespecting each other) like trolls - if we don't feed them they will "die" because no attention is given to them. :dontknow:

I have this minute received a most vile and hateful PM from someone whose name I will not mention but whose initials are BBJB. I am so aghast at the ferocous nature of the insult that I am lost for words.

Here it is as promised ---

"your a meanie..."


For goodness sake! He couldn't even insult me in proper Emglish!

You're, BBJB -- not your -- you're!!!!!

Ask him how to spell Maths.....

I think CerebralPrimate hit the nail on the head in his practice of ignoring negative threads. Lets set a new tone in this forum in which negativity is ignored instead of stirred up into a frenzy with retorts that are just as toxic and antagonstic.
If this type of atmosphere established then newcomers will likely follow suit and conform. Furthermore, negative people will not be involved in a forum that only promotes and responds to positive and respectful discussions.
In regards to setting a new tone, I was blown away last night when I read a post by Tim 4077 in a response to a fair-minded and respectful critisism by MantaRayz. He responded by thanking Manta for enlightening him about a possible flaw in his reasoning because he would want to be corrected when he is in the wrong. I want to thank Tim because his response will change my way of communicating indefinitely(I hope you guys keep me accountable to this!)
I mentioned this post because I beleive it is imparitive to adopt this type of attitude so that we can exchange ideas and discuss even the most passion evoking topics in a positive and enlightening manner. Lets set a new tone guys.
Junto

Junto

I thought that Tim was saying that he would rather be told when he was wrong, and thats why he was telling Zaul/Masrea they were wrong.

I could be wrong though!:bonk:

Junto

I thought that Tim was saying that he would rather be told when he was wrong, and thats why he was telling Zaul/Masrea they were wrong.

I could be wrong though!:bonk:

i think your wrong - or did you not want to be told - I'm confused who can we say is wrong....:hijack:

goosfaba goosfaba

The Success Vibe I've enjoyed since I joined has taken a turn towards a more negative vibe since shortly after the arrival of the folks from the TR forum.

I think most of these people are fantastic. However, some of them brought poison with them. Tom has made changes based on requests in good faith, but more and more, each thread is having politics and religion injected into it. It results in people (myself included) feeling compelled to take a stand, which leads to arguments fueled with anger and contempt.

I don't like the vibe here any more. I don't enjoy posting here any more. Instead of bringing out the best in me, my participation on this forum is bringing out the worst in me.

To be honest with everyone, I can understand why the lounge was shut down on the TR forum.

I haven't read this entire thread but it's likely that what I'm going to say has already been said.

I'm from the TR forums (not a refugee; I still hang out there). One thing I learned there and have continued to practice here is that if I am reading a thread which begins to get really negative, I simply discontinue reading it and don't go there again. That's my general rule. Sometimes the twisted side of me peeks anyways, and then i get myself all stirred up about some of the CRAP which is being said (not just by former TR forumites) and then I form a negative feeling towards certain people. I am really trying to put only positive things in my mind, so I am re-committing to not reading the negative stuff. It's one of the areas of my life where I'm actually fairly disciplined!

One other thing to note - whenever a group grows, the odds of ending up with people whose opinions differ from each other's is bound to grow. Just like in the business world. So even if the group grew exponentially from people who didn't all come from one place, the odds are good that this same problem would arise.

The moment you understand that the post is negative stop reading it, thats what I had to learn to do.

I was somewhat bewildered by your post, George, and to some degree felt responsible for your concern, being the initial instigator of inviting people from the TR forum to join Successvibe.

I was puzzled, having witnessed the passion you, yourself, can bring to a subject. I've also seen the compassion, too, in threads like 'Midlife Crisis' so please don't think I'm suggesting you only respond sharply.

But to see you, a personal coach, blame others for your own lack of control in phrases like "..people (myself included) feeling compelled to take a stand, which leads to arguments fueled with anger and contempt..." makes we wonder why you would give up so much of your personal power in this way.

The Success Vibe I've enjoyed since I joined has taken a turn towards a more negative vibe since shortly after the arrival of the folks from the TR forum.
.. I think most of these people are fantastic. However, some of them brought poison with them. Tom has made changes based on requests in good faith, but more and more, each thread is having politics and religion injected into it. It results in people (myself included) feeling compelled to take a stand, which leads to arguments fueled with anger and contempt.
.. I don't like the vibe here any more. I don't enjoy posting here any more. Instead of bringing out the best in me, my participation on this forum is bringing out the worst in me.
.. To be honest with everyone, I can understand why the lounge was shut down on the TR forum.

Others have suggested not reading the negative posts if you don't like them. That certainly is one way. To give away one's personal power is, to me, a frightening thing. Either in letting others' posts drive me away from subjects I enjoy, or feeling they *make* me act in a certain way -- as in "...Instead of bringing out the best in me, my participation on this forum is bringing out the worst in me..." as if others have the power to bring out the worst in you.

If there is one thing in this world that cannot be taken away from us, it is our personal power. We can give it away, but it can never be taken away.

Fortunately, we *can* take it back, too.

I hope you will take back your personal power, George, and return to this board. Your helpful posts have been an inspiration and will hopefully continue to be an inspiration.

Come Back Coach!

Take a break if you need it...
(when Cyberspace becomes a Black Hole)
but be sure to return.

Big hugs,
Mudd
xoxox

I'm so tired :snooze:

You said what needed to be said and called a spade a spade. Just one look at the thread to Zaul and you can see the nasty clique they have going. I agree that not all of them are that way, but it is certainly a number of them.

I have not seen a positive post from you yet, Penelope. I keep hoping for the best though. :)

I want to apologize to Coach for my responses to his original post. I was not very diplomatic. :sorry:

I love how people pick at the people in order to defeat the subject that the person is bringing up.

My goverment has done a good job educating the world, to defeat a mans believe- Defeat the man.

My goverment has done a good job educating the world, to defeat a mans believe- Defeat the man.

Ummm, maybe its just because I get hit in the head a lot, but this seemed to come out out of nowhere and have nothing to do with the price of tea in China... :hmm:

-CP

Ummm, maybe its just because I get hit in the head a lot, but this seemed to come out out of nowhere and have nothing to do with the price of tea in China... :hmm:

-CP

hmmmm was wondering this myself

Ummm, maybe its just because I get hit in the head a lot, but this seemed to come out out of nowhere and have nothing to do with the price of tea in China... :hmm:

-CP

I have been trying to figure it out for an hour, so I must have head injuries too.:banghead:

I have been trying to figure it out for an hour, so I must have head injuries too.:banghead:

Add me to that list too... :dontknow: :bonk:

Sweet... not feeling like such a slow ape now...

-CP

I love how people pick at the people in order to defeat the subject that the person is bringing up.

Hi Masera. I sincerely hope that you are having a great day. I am also sincerely concerned that Coach Morse feels less-than-supported here.

I do have a question for you though....if you haven't already read the book The Four Agreements, would you consider reading it? Because if you haven't read it, I'll tell you that the chapter on not making assumptions is really life-changing.

I love how people pick at the people in order to defeat the subject that the person is bringing up.

My goverment has done a good job educating the world, to defeat a mans believe- Defeat the man.sooooooo ..... are You looking to Perpetuate that Picking? Thus doing the bidding of this Government of which You speak?

They taught YOU well!

Sweet... not feeling like such a slow ape now...

-CP

Damn dirty apes.

:mob:

Screw this thread and let's go over to the "Show Me Love, Baby!" thread!

:kewl:

Damn dirty apes.:biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Damn dirty apes.

Yeah, gotta gives Jules some props there... very funny!!! :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

-CP

Although I cannot speak for his brain, I think that Coach is upset because of totw, who used to be reserved at TR but I think also who's aim it is to have the worst reputation points possible. This is his goal and nothing personal, I think, just the stats.

Perfect Example "Although I cannot speak for his brain, I think that Coach is upset because of totw, who used to be reserved at TR but I think also who's aim it is to have the worst reputation points possible. This is his goal and nothing personal, I think, just the stats."

Coach made a thread that he wanted to discuss the subject of his feelings around the negative vibes going around, What does the person above do? He rips apart the person instead of disproving the idea that negative vibes are going around.



I have read the book, I even have the cards.

And about my post above, I am not making assumtions. my comment was pointed at a person who has already repsonded to me via PM. Don't assume that I am assuming anything :thumb:

Because you know what happens when you assume? You make an ass out of u and me.

But I appriciate so much enegry being put towards my direction. Negative or positive I will transform it with this question,

"What could be great about having the SuccessVibe rejects hating me?" Whats not perfect yet? :crosseye:

^ ah heh heh, p-p-please don't do that

Junto

I thought that Tim was saying that he would rather be told when he was wrong, and thats why he was telling Zaul/Masrea they were wrong.

I could be wrong though!:bonk:

Chuck, from my interpretation Tim respectfully asked for clarity on why they thought he was wrong. He said that he appreciated being told when he was wrong but he needed the accusation to be clear and precise in order to respond accordingly. I could be wrong though too.:confused: :crosseye:

If you object again I will just have to conclude you are correct because I am not going back to that God-forsaken thread to analize my sources again!!
:yikes:
Junto

Perfect Example "Although I cannot speak for his brain, I think that Coach is upset because of totw, who used to be reserved at TR but I think also who's aim it is to have the worst reputation points possible. This is his goal and nothing personal, I think, just the stats."

Coach made a thread that he wanted to discuss the subject of his feelings around the negative vibes going around, What does the person above do? He rips apart the person instead of disproving the idea that negative vibes are going around.

I have read the book, I even have the cards.

And about my post above, I am not making assumtions. my comment was pointed at a person who has already repsonded to me via PM. Don't assume that I am assuming anything :thumb:

Because you know what happens when you assume? You make an ass out of u and me.

But I appriciate so much enegry being put towards my direction. Negative or positive I will transform it with this question,

"What could be great about having the SuccessVibe rejects hating me?" Whats not perfect yet? :crosseye:Masera ..... it appears that YOU are making assumptions. do you REALLY wanna start You Day like that?


Rejects? That sounds like an ASSumptive Judgement.
What IS Perfect Already? You seem to have already forgotten to reMember Your 4 Hour Experiment. Are You going to table that?



If ANYTHING does not Strengthen You, it Weakens You.

Coach is one of my favorite posters. And just just when I was hoping I could get an autographed book. Oh well............

"What could be great about having the SuccessVibe rejects hating me?" Whats not perfect yet? :crosseye:

There are no SuccessVibe rejects.

Ummm, maybe its just because I get hit in the head a lot, but this seemed to come out out of nowhere and have nothing to do with the price of tea in China... :hmm:

-CP

What is the price of tea in china? i have searched and cannot seem to find it....at least in english.

Don't Worry My Fan, The conlusion will be posted when the full range of benefits comes out,

(AKA Monday or Tuesday)

You will see why I waited to post my findings, and I will post a hefty explination of the dommino effect that I created. anyways :cool: Thanks for being a fan.

Agreed KG. I haven't even seen half as much of the agressiveness of discussions here as I did on TR. They just haven't seen you and Jenni go head to head. What happened to that?:lildevil:

We're in love. :thumb:

Jennifer

I have not seen a postive post from you yet, Penelope. I keep hoping for the best though. :)

Right? Hi Jules...I love you! :)

Jennifer

Hi Jules...I love you! :)

Jennifer

Awww...right back atcha! You're AWESOME! :kiss2:

If I have offended anyone, at any time, in any post, I am truly sorry.

Thank you all for taking the time to comment on this subject. This forum has meant a great deal to me over the past 1/2 year, much more than the marketing tool it was initially intended to be. :o

I am ashamed of my participation in the "out of control" threads. I started this thread not to blame others but because I realized I had become primarily negative, and overly combative. I merely wanted to open the discussion, hopefully clear the air, and release the bad vibes that have been welling up inside me as of late.

This is certainly another opportunity for me to grow, and I will be staying out of any threads that don't pertain to the subject of success.

Thanks again for your attention and concern.:)
gm

If I have offended anyone, at any time, in any post, I am truly sorry.

Thank you all for taking the time to comment on this subject. This forum has meant a great deal to me over the past 1/2 year, much more than the marketing tool it was initially intended to be. :o

I am ashamed of my participation in the "out of control" threads. I started this thread not to blame others but because I realized I had become primarily negative, and overly combative. I merely wanted to open the discussion, hopefully clear the air, and release the bad vibes that have been welling up inside me as of late.

This is certainly another opportunity for me to grow, and I will be staying out of any threads that don't pertain to the subject of success.

Thanks again for your attention and concern.:)
gm


I'm sooooooo glad you're back!!!:yippee: :yippee: I missed you!

YAY! WELCOME BACK COACH!

Life is all about learning.
That's what makes it
so much FUN!

Glad to see you, my friend.

POPCORN FOR EVERYBODY!

And hugs too...
Mudd
xoxox

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Welcome back, Coach! :wave:

Life is all about learning.
That's what makes it
so much FUN!

POPCORN FOR EVERYBODY!

And hugs too...
Mudd
xoxox

This is why Ms Mudd ROCKS!!!

She is spot on... there is an easy test to see if you've learned all that you need to know in this life; if you're still alive, you haven't. It doesn't matter if you're 20 or 80, we're all learning still if we're still here, Coach.

Some things I didn't learn until I was 35, others knew at 18. Some of the things I know, others haven't learned yet. That's how it works, I think. Be open, cuz ya never know where the lesson is coming from... or when exactly it'll come.

-CP

If I have offended anyone, at any time, in any post, I am truly sorry.

Thank you all for taking the time to comment on this subject. This forum has meant a great deal to me over the past 1/2 year, much more than the marketing tool it was initially intended to be. :o

I am ashamed of my participation in the "out of control" threads. I started this thread not to blame others but because I realized I had become primarily negative, and overly combative. I merely wanted to open the discussion, hopefully clear the air, and release the bad vibes that have been welling up inside me as of late.

This is certainly another opportunity for me to grow, and I will be staying out of any threads that don't pertain to the subject of success.

Thanks again for your attention and concern.:)
gm

Hey Coach, thank you for posting. I felt horrible about what I said. You are one of my favorite members, and I would hate it if you quit the forum. You have done a lot for the forum since you came here, and you have been an inspiration to me and others. :)

First of all, Welcome Back! We love you, Coach! You're AWESOME!

My question is this:

Are you feeling more positive energy here now? I hope so. I know I am. I have had a glorious day posting here and reading others' posts.

This forum makes me sooooo happy. Why? Because of the people here. People like YOU, Coach. You're a lovely person, and I really mean that. I think you're fabulous. :hug:

Aloha Coachinator!


Sometimes ..... fortunately not often, but sometimes ..... it takes something of a real purterbating nature to get the message to step back and re-evaluate wazz'up. One of two things happens
1 - Rage.
2 - Growth.


You Continue to Choose Well!

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OK Vibers,
When I first came here about a month ago, there were less than 1000 members with 100 active. Now there are 1073 members with 159 active.

Soooo, let's hear it for our members! The active membership has increased by almost 60%, right? Let's hear it for US!

:woohoo:

Plus, we brought MantaRayz back from his sabbatical!

:woot:

:yippee: :clap:
:cheerlead: :hapdance: :headbang: :woohoo: :worship: :kewl: :bouncy: :applause: :rulz: :dance:

Soooo, let's hear it for our members! The active membership has increased by almost 60%, right? Let's hear it for US!


We do have some GREAT & POSITIVE members!

:applause: :cheers: :cheerlead: :hapdance: :headbang: :hug: :kewl:

RMG, your number of posts is 666 :yikes: hurry up and post again!!!!!

RMG, your number of posts is 666 :yikes: hurry up and post again!!!!!

:yikes: Thanks for the heads up.....and to have that number on a thread called NEGATIVE VIBE! YUCK!

I am glad the Coach is back too! We need ya Coach!!! Many hugs for the coach... (((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))) ))) :)

Coach,

I am also really glad that you have decided to stay. I've enjoyed reading many of your threads and look forward to reading many more.

I do think it's human nature and the way of these kinds of forums that sometimes we step back and realize that we have got sucked into either a negative discussion, argument or general time wasters - just as we can so easily do in real life (I actually argue this is REAL life but just a different medium by which we communicate with each other). Stepping back for a moment and have some quite reflection gives us time to reconsider those words that we have spoken or the feelings that we have engaged in and these become learning periods in our lives.

Paul

I have not seen a positive post from you yet, Penelope. I keep hoping for the best though. :)

Like many, you see what you choose to see.

Like many, you see what you choose to see.

Right back atcha. You choose to see "nasty cliques", etc. Your words have been nothing less than venomous here. I could be blind and still feel your negative energy.

Coach,

Many of us can understand how you feel since we just recently went through a drastic board change and our board became a different environment immediately. So we can relate to how you feel about this board changing overnight.

I am so glad that you have decided to return back to the boards.

We are a decent bunch of people! ;) Really! :D LOL!!

I have noticed that the board sometimes goes to extremes whether it is fighting, flirting, or joking. Everybody seems to get on a roll and we feed off of each other. LOL!! OK….not everyone…but a good majority get into the groove of whatever is going on at the time.

So it just tends to cycle through! It is a matter of waiting out the storm!

You are a valuable asset to this board and I enjoy your posts! :thumb:

Welcome back Coach! :yippee:

You're a great guy with lots of positive energy to share.

:cheerlead: :yippee: :kiss2: :woohoo:

Hey Coach. I can completely identify with your feelings here. It's sort of like having some family members you totally didn't expect come to your house. Then trying to keep everything in check while they're over. Personally, I seek to benefit from everything there is to offer here. At the same time, I understand that some individuals may have strong politicial or religious biases that can cloud their otherwise sensible judgement. Addressing these issues early on, as you have will play a key role in ensuring the success of this transition stage. I hope you don't see it as a limitation, but instead a means of growth.

Thank you for what has been established here George! Much love to you.

Right back atcha. You choose to see "nasty cliques", etc. Your words have been nothing less than venomous here. I could be blind and still feel your negative energy.

Keep up with the personal attacks, they simply prove my point. :hopeless:

Penelope, have you seen Jesus?

Penelope, have you seen Jesus?

My dad had an apparition of Jesus when he was 11 years old (in 1936)....he was walking home from school one day and saw Jesus' face in the clouds....he was afraid to tell anyone because they would laugh at him....but when he told me (just a couple of years ago), I believed him, and it made him so happy. He said he never felt so much peace in his heart.

Julia,

That's a beautiful and positive story for the "Negative Vibe" thread.

Thanks for sharing! :thumb:

Penelope,

Some people feel powerless in the world, the only way they can make a change or some kind of impact is by stirring up conflict. It just so happens that people who lack the guts to cause problems in life- resort to using the methods seen above. These poor souls are the kind of people who work dead end jobs and get bullied often in some fashion, they have NO voice in the real world- they attack logic with humor, and questions with acusations.

Penelope these people are not here to communicate, this forum is there only outlet to vent. Trying to explain reason or logic to them is pointless. Someday they will come to their own conclusion. Someday they will become healthy, but it is not likely to be anytime soon. Bless and release,


-Mardy

Julia,

That's a beautiful and positive story for the "Negative Vibe" thread.

Thanks for sharing! :thumb:

Thanks, Doc! My dad is an amazing man. He's a WWII veteran; he was on Iwo Jima. He saw all of that death and destruction, and it affected him very deeply, yet at his core he remains one of the most positive people I have ever had the privilege to know and love. He's 81 years old now and his eyes sparkle with joy, with fun, and his sense of humor is outrageous.

He is my hero. He is such a beautiful soul, and I know how fortunate I am to have been born of his genes. I accept him just the way he is....perfectly imperfect.

Wow, I saw "Flags of Our Fathers" a couple of weeks ago. That IS the greatest generation and I like stuff made during that time period and about that time period. Character was rampant in people of the U.S. back then. I'm proud of your father too.

Penelope,

Some people feel powerless in the world, the only way they can make a change or some kind of impact is by stirring up conflict. It just so happens that people who lack the guts to cause problems in life- resort to using the methods seen above. These poor souls are the kind of people who work dead end jobs and get bullied often in some fashion, they have NO voice in the real world- they attack logic with humor, and questions with acusations.

Penelope these people are not here to communicate, this forum is there only outlet to vent. Trying to explain reason or logic to them is pointless. Someday they will come to their own conclusion. Someday they will become healthy, but it is not likely to be anytime soon. Bless and release,


-Mardy

Thank you Masera. Your support against the continued attempts to demonize a woman who will not be bullied into silence is very much appreciated.

No problem, props to not letting this get you down :wave:

Anonymous silly people :crosseye: on an internet board can hardly get me down, M. Just stopping in on my way to the studio to do some art. :yippee:

Wow, I saw "Flags of Our Fathers" a couple of weeks ago. That IS the greatest generation and I like stuff made during that time period and about that time period. Character was rampant in people of the U.S. back then. I'm proud of your father too.

It's really a shame that character seems to have become less important in our society. You are so correct, Blockade Runner! They are the GREATEST generation!

Julia, on this Veteran's Day Weekend, please give your dad a BIG AMERICAN hug of appreciation for me! And may God continue to bless him! :tiphat:

Let's do a poll:

How many people have felt personally attacked by Julia? Let me guess, 1, Penelope.

How many people have felt personally attacked by Penelope? :hmm:

Penelope, has it occured to you that you are the one that is always at the scene of the crime?

:banghead: :hijack:

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

:mob:

Yay, about time for the hijack brigade!:donut:
:dance2:
:gun:
:puke:

:hijack: Q: What is the average flying velocity of an unladen sparrow?

This is called the negative vibe, so we can feed the trolls here.:popcorn2: :popcorn: :guiness: :cheers: :coffee:

Sorry, I have a little bit of a temper sometimes.

:hijack: Q: What is the average flying velocity of an unladen sparrow?

:dontknow:

:hijack: Q: What is the average flying velocity of an unladen sparrow?

Is that an African or European swallow??? :boxer: :headbang: :karate:

-CP

Let's do a poll:

How many people have felt personally attacked by Julia?

I have to say that I have felt attacked my Julia... she saw those pics of me just wearing those Nautica boxers and now she can't control herself... said something about giving Garfield a kiss, whatever that meant... :cookoo:

:lildevil: :lildevil: :lildevil: :lildevil: :lildevil: :lildevil: :lildevil: :lildevil:

-CP

Is that an African or European swallow??? :boxer: :headbang: :karate:

-CPWhat? I don't know. Whoooaoaaaahhh. :thumb:

It is a sad day when the most active thread with the most posts in a success forum is one on negativity.

what ever happened to the law of attraction and focusing on what you want guys?

love and hugs

FAQ

Then focus on mine and JOhns hijack attampts and turn something negative into something positive, Q.

-CP

For death awaits you with point-ed teeth!

For death awaits you with point-ed teeth!

Shut up and go change your armor! :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

-CP

It is a sad day when the most active thread with the most posts in a success forum is one on negativity.

what ever happened to the law of attraction and focusing on what you want guys?

love and hugs

FAQ

That is so true! What the heck is going on here??? Too much kindness for one day and everyone has to come back to this thread??

I don't want anymore posts on this thread after mine...or else!! :mob:

I don't want anymore posts on this thread after mine...or else!! :mob:

LOL... that is so much like a red flag to a bull LOL...

Boo Joanne :biglaugh:

Paul

It is a sad day when the most active thread with the most posts in a success forum is one on negativity.

what ever happened to the law of attraction and focusing on what you want guys?

love and hugs

FAQ

Yep... that is so true FAQ..... so why did you post in THIS thread?

Paul

LOL... that is so much like a red flag to a bull LOL...

Boo Joanne :biglaugh:

Paul

LOSER!!!!!! That's it, here I come! :boxer: :karate:

Well it seems a good idea to close it... :yup: