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Paul@Pittsburgh
12-19-2006, 01:01 PM
After reading this, I wonder if other countries that provide aid to Libya should withdraw it in protest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6194325.stm

I find it very sad that people volunteer and go and help these poorer countries out and then become victims of politicking. If these ungrateful countries want to behave this way, then let them do it on their own dime and with their own efforts.

Paul

Tachyon
12-19-2006, 01:12 PM
After reading this, I wonder if other countries that provide aid to Libya should withdraw it in protest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6194325.stm

I find it very sad that people volunteer and go and help these poorer countries out and then become victims of politicking. If these ungrateful countries want to behave this way, then let them do it on their own dime and with their own efforts.

Paul

The it isn't aid you are giving. You are paying for the right to butt you nose in their business.

If you truly are giving aid then your compassion for those who are suffering would not change because of politics.

Making more suffer to relieve suffering is .. well... bizarre.

Paul@Pittsburgh
12-19-2006, 01:18 PM
The it isn't aid you are giving. You are paying for the right to butt you nose in their business.

If you truly are giving aid then your compassion for those who are suffering would not change because of politics.

Making more suffer to relieve suffering is .. well... bizarre.

So your logic is

a) that we should withdraw anyway coz it's just butting our nose in - nice compassion there!

b) I could understand your point about making more suffering if the intent was there to infect people - but I am sure this would not have been the case. So, a doctor should not attempt a risky surgery coz of the risk?

I find your logic bizarre actually.

Paul

Tachyon
12-19-2006, 01:28 PM
a) that we should withdraw anyway coz it's just butting our nose in - nice compassion there!

b) I could understand your point about making more suffering if the intent was there to infect people - but I am sure this would not have been the case. So, a doctor should not attempt a risky surgery coz of the risk?

I find your logic bizarre actually.

Paul

a) Guess what - you have enough problems with injustice in your own country to be worried about another. It is hypocracy to imply you never executed anyone that others saw evidence that it was totally wrong.
Don't put values on others you don't have yourself.


b) ??? You where suggesting taking aid away from the needy in Libia because it MIGHT make a POINT.

Thats like saying don't give the surgery to all patients because you want to make a point about a diagnosis of one patient.

Yeh - that logically.

Corinne Friesen
12-19-2006, 02:34 PM
OK - so I've read the article and it seems to me that the aid and the political issue in the article are unrelated, this area of politics not being tied into conditions of the aid, so withdrawing aid because of what they have decided deserves the death sentence would be hypocritical, especially coming from a country that also has the death sentence and has applied it under equally disturbing issues.

Spider
12-19-2006, 10:36 PM
After reading this, I wonder if other countries that provide aid to Libya should withdraw it in protest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6194325.stm

I find it very sad that people volunteer and go and help these poorer countries out and then become victims of politicking. If these ungrateful countries want to behave this way, then let them do it on their own dime and with their own efforts.

PaulAs I understand it, we have as evidence, 426 children who have been infected with HIV, of whom 52 have died, all tended by the accused.

The question was raised, not did they do it, but did they do it knowingly? And, as reports have it that the hospital in question had hygene problems, I must presume - if this was so - that the accused did know that.

The case was dismissed once for lack of evidence.

The first completed trial found them guilty.

A second trial also found them guilty.

Besides the six Bulgarians, a Palestinian doctor and nine Libyans were also charged in the case.

As none of us have been present in court to follow the proceedings, I find it strange that we are able to judge the case. I know I cannot.

Tachyon
12-20-2006, 06:53 PM
As none of us have been present in court to follow the proceedings, I find it strange that we are able to judge the case. I know I cannot.

Well said!