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MantaRayz
06-28-2004, 01:35 PM
I keep seeing and hearing people complain about "things," but they rarely, if ever, can or will offer even remotely viable possible solution. We seem to be societies that want to sit back, and let others do. And then join in if we like what they do. Or complain if it isn't quite what we thought it should be.

I know everyone here has a 'pet problem.'

What is your Solution to that problem?
And how would you see that getting started?

Cemiess
06-29-2004, 05:36 AM
I know everyone here has a 'pet problem.'

What is your Solution to that problem?
And how would you see that getting started?

Mine is that the governments of the world are forcing us at "gunpoint" (or at least threat of jail) to pay taxes at every level and it is completely unjustified. It also cripples society, and is not helped at all by the welfare state.

What is my solution? Bring down the government by promoting awareness of "Self Authority" - get people to realise that the only purpose of government is to protect us. And the only "legal" form of taxation is Sales Tax.

My solution is the website I'm involved in. With this, I am also helping to make people productive and rich, to reduce the welfare state.

mario
06-29-2004, 03:27 PM
I keep seeing and hearing people complain about "things," but they rarely, if ever, can or will offer even remotely viable possible solution. We seem to be societies that want to sit back, and let others do. And then join in if we like what they do. Or complain if it isn't quite what we thought it should be.

I know everyone here has a 'pet problem.'

What is your Solution to that problem?
And how would you see that getting started?
The drug use that since the sixties that the western world has never been able to defeat is an indication of a more fundamental problem underlying our way of living.

Our system hasn't been able to provide motivation in enough supply to prevent people to look for bliss outside the borders of it.

Our system doesn't make it confortable to look for something elevated inside it's borders.

On the contrary people seems to be more and more uncertain of their future in our present system.

Seems to me there will be quite a lot of work to do before people will be confident again in our way of living.

This has important consequences in the sense people tend to put some blame on themselves for the shortcomings of our common beliefs.

It's easy to escape the reals problems in drug habits, psychological problems and downright physical diseases.

If people would have a better control over their life we would be hearing a far different song than what we usually hear.

Cemiess
06-30-2004, 07:13 AM
The drug use that since the sixties that the western world has never been able to defeat is an indication of a more fundamental problem underlying our way of living.

Our system hasn't been able to provide motivation in enough supply to prevent people to look for bliss outside the borders of it.

Our system doesn't make it confortable to look for something elevated inside it's borders.

On the contrary people seems to be more and more uncertain of their future in our present system.

Seems to me there will be quite a lot of work to do before people will be confident again in our way of living.

This has important consequences in the sense people tend to put some blame on themselves for the shortcomings of our common beliefs.

It's easy to escape the reals problems in drug habits, psychological problems and downright physical diseases.

If people would have a better control over their life we would be hearing a far different song than what we usually hear.


The problem is not that people take drugs, it is that they have the need to do so in the first place.

As for the system failing in stopping drugs, it is not the system's responsibility. It is each and every one of ours - yes the system may cause drug use with it's oppression, so it should be called to account for causing it - but it should not be responsible for stopping it.

Drug users need to see a better world so that the need is taken away.

mario
06-30-2004, 09:33 AM
Exactly Cemiess,

Motivation in large supply. Visionnaries in large numbers like during the industrial revolution for example.

We need to be looking towards something like a new golden age of sorts.

A big change that would stimulate everybody.

It doesn't matter how realistic it would look. Reality is a creation of everybody.

What's most important is to prevent the population to enter into negative patterns. And to get it moving. Once in motion who knows where it could lead ? Everybody could be surprised by the ingenuity of motivated people in a positive direction.

Thank You Cemiess for joining my newsletter yesterday. :D

I'll keep in touch with you.

Mario Taillon

Cemiess
06-30-2004, 12:23 PM
Exactly Cemiess,

Motivation in large supply. Visionnaries in large numbers like during the industrial revolution for example.

We need to be looking towards something like a new golden age of sorts.

A big change that would stimulate everybody.

It doesn't matter how realistic it would look. Reality is a creation of everybody.

What's most important is to prevent the population to enter into negative patterns. And to get it moving. Once in motion who knows where it could lead ? Everybody could be surprised by the ingenuity of motivated people in a positive direction.

Thank You Cemiess for joining my newsletter yesterday. :D

I'll keep in touch with you.

Mario Taillon

Not a problem, your site looks very interesting. Sounds like we (at least our companies) have very similar goals. On our main page there is a link to our mission - you'll probably find it interesting.

IAFPO
07-01-2004, 05:34 PM
I keep seeing and hearing people complain about "things," but they rarely, if ever, can or will offer even remotely viable possible solution. We seem to be societies that want to sit back, and let others do. And then join in if we like what they do. Or complain if it isn't quite what we thought it should be.

I know everyone here has a 'pet problem.'

What is your Solution to that problem?
And how would you see that getting started?Personal Responsibility.

That would be the key to any solution and would also make everybody part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Everybody seems to want to complain, instead of take action. If someone can't fix the problem themselves, instead of complaining to people who can't do anything about it, they should go talk to someone who can do something about it.

I know I have fixed many problems that people I know were always complaining about simply by taking action and talking to whoever needed to be talked to. Or, in certain situations, I did what was necessary myself to solve the problem. They could have done the same, but they were too busy complaining and blaming others to make a difference.

Also, there are many things that they sometimes need to fix about themselves or in areas they have control over. Often people blame others instead of taking responsibility for themselves and their domain.

So, personal responsibility would solve a great deal of the world's problems.

MantaRayz
07-03-2004, 05:06 AM
Personal Responsibility.

That would be the key to any solution and would also make everybody part of the solution instead of part of the problem. YEP! I agree! PR is a Key. As well as ACTION!

MantaRayz
07-03-2004, 05:10 AM
Mine is that the governments of the world are forcing us at "gunpoint" (or at least threat of jail) to pay taxes at every level and it is completely unjustified. It also cripples society, and is not helped at all by the welfare state.

What is my solution? Bring down the government by promoting awareness of "Self Authority" - get people to realise that the only purpose of government is to protect us. And the only "legal" form of taxation is Sales Tax.

My solution is the website I'm involved in. With this, I am also helping to make people productive and rich, to reduce the welfare state.OK. interesting Solution. But as the question asked, what is your solution? How exactly do you intend for the Government to be brought down, and still be in a position to 'protect us." And how will you propose to control that authority?

MantaRayz
07-03-2004, 05:18 AM
The drug use that since the sixties that the western world has never been able to defeat is an indication of a more fundamental problem underlying our way of living.

Our system hasn't been able to provide motivation in enough supply to prevent people to look for bliss outside the borders of it.

Our system doesn't make it confortable to look for something elevated inside it's borders.

On the contrary people seems to be more and more uncertain of their future in our present system.

Seems to me there will be quite a lot of work to do before people will be confident again in our way of living.

This has important consequences in the sense people tend to put some blame on themselves for the shortcomings of our common beliefs.

It's easy to escape the reals problems in drug habits, psychological problems and downright physical diseases.

If people would have a better control over their life we would be hearing a far different song than what we usually hear.So Mario, what I think I'm hearing from you is that certainty will help people. is that what you are saying? I see you say confidence and control, but you point to a lack of certainty.
How would you infuse Certainty in 6 1/2 Billion people of different cultures and norms? or are you referring strictly to western societies?

MantaRayz
07-03-2004, 05:21 AM
Motive - Compelling Reason - Why - Purpose
ation - ACTION

Motivation - Reason and Purpose for ACTION

mario
07-03-2004, 07:45 AM
So Mario, what I think I'm hearing from you is that certainty will help people. is that what you are saying? I see you say confidence and control, but you point to a lack of certainty.
How would you infuse Certainty in 6 1/2 Billion people of different cultures and norms? or are you referring strictly to western societies?
What I was reffering to is if the system would let people define their life themselves better, people would less rely on the use of drugs to do so.

Using drugs for leisure is getting out of the system to see if something else exists.

If more people didn't have bosses more people would know what exists depends mainly on their imagination.

And they would get moving instead of using drugs.

This applies strictly to western societies.

As for the 6 1/2 Billion people of different cultures and norms, I got a little quizz for you that even our bosses are afraid to take:

Suppose the last important oil reserve discovery was in 1976 ? Suppose there are approximately 30 years of oil reserves presently ?

What should we do ?

I'd suggest we use our imaginations way more than we did.

:hmm:

MantaRayz
07-03-2004, 02:22 PM
What I was reffering to is if the system would let people define their life themselves better, people would less rely on the use of drugs to do so.
Using drugs for leisure is getting out of the system to see if something else exists.
If more people didn't have bosses more people would know what exists depends mainly on their imagination.
And they would get moving instead of using drugs.

This applies strictly to western societies.

I'd suggest we use our imaginations way more than we did.

:hmm:Which system is not allowing people to define their own lives, if that is indeed what they want to do? Which system are they trying to escape from?
It seems that you consider someone/anyone in power as bosses, but who is that? You say that twice here, with different referrence. You seem to point to government as the bosses in one, and another bosses look to be anyone ina place of position above another. Is that what you are saying?

I'm asking, because you are not clear in your message.

When you say drugs, which class are you talking about? Is that including or limited to Spirits and malts? Cigarettes? Marijuana? Heroin & Opium? Peyote? Is it all of these? Some? Others?

If solutions are to be used and implemented, they need to have a high degree of specificity to them, so people can access them. Especially if they need help defining their lives in the first place, to permenantly escape the systems you suggest are holding them back.

Imanination is vital to any Growth. But Imagination needs to have the next step as well ...... Action. Without Action, the Imagination is almost a lost effort. Without Action, the Imagination will never be realized. And that indeed is a shame.

Solutions need Imagination as well as Actions to make them work.

MantaRayz
07-03-2004, 02:49 PM
As for the 6 1/2 Billion people of different cultures and norms, I got a little quizz for you that even our bosses are afraid to take:
Suppose the last important oil reserve discovery was in 1976 ? Suppose there are approximately 30 years of oil reserves presently ?
What should we do ?

I'd suggest we use our imaginations way more than we did.

:hmm:Again, the bosses.

The quiz is actually pretty easy.

At present, there are any number of installations of alternative energy sources coming on line, with more in the very near future (meaning, 1-5 years)
Local, as well as regional and even country-wide governments around the world are realizing the vital need to place energy independence as a policy, rather than a whim or wish. The Nordic countries are very heavily involved with this, as are countries on the Asian Continent. California local and state agencies are making great strides (considering the inherant policies involved) in the implementation of non-traditional energy sources. The state of New Jersey is poised to have the largest network of alternative sources by 2005. New Jersey? There are at least 11 states active in new technologies.
And you seem to suggest that that bosses are either blind to or aren't looking at this situation.

Transportation is working on the issue too, albet slowly. But I'll ask you this - are you willing today to go out and buy a new car, powered by a new form of fuel, that cannot be fuled where and when you want it to be?
My belief is that within 20 years, there will be more of these cars and trucks and busses and trains and planes that there are their petroleum-based cousins.

With your Imagination, what solutions are you offering that are different than these? Or are complementary to these? Or of an entirely new paradigm? And if that be the case, how do you offer to implement it?

Lest you think that everyone is against you in this line of thinking ..... there are far more people that would support new ideas, (and to a degree, new Ideals) and their implementation, than you imagine.

MantaRayz
07-03-2004, 03:51 PM
I'd suggest we use our imaginations way more than we did.

:hmm:So perhaps we need IIA Classes and Seminars and Workshops?




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