I dont know if this has been done before but I think its worth us coming up with a mission statement for the site/forum now.

Anyone who wants to take part, please post what they think the site should be about and what our objective should be.

This should also help clarify the rules of the forum.

When making posts and topics, please be aware that what may seem funny to one person, will upset another.

Myself and several members have recently been advertising this forum as a success and motivation forum. I want new members to want to join and take part in the conversations and not be put off by the content.

Lets keep the forum clean.

Please post your suggestions for a mission statement and keep them serious :)

Thanks
Gavin

Here's a bit of a thought....

The people here are energetic and spirited, sharing resources and ideas as part of our common quest for success.

Personally,

I think the munber of posts for new members before they can advertise in their signature lines should go up to a minimum of 50 - 100 posts. Anyone who is willing to wait to have that many posts here, will be less likely to SPAM our regular members here. I have been cleaning up the spam from the older posts the last few days, and there is a LOT if it. That number would be reduced significantly if the mark or milestone was at least 50 posts. Enough to discourage the spammers who make as many as a dozen posts, then never show up again. Meanwhile - their signature lines are still advertising their business and they haven't been here or posted in over 2 years!

I think what you mean by :"Let's keep it CLEAN", needs to be clarified. PORN or even pseudo porn jokes should not be allowed, period.

Put downs, slams against other members should not be tolerated. Too many fights break out, and this is a BUSINESS site now. Sure discussion is bound to be heated at times, but putting others down should not be part of that. I agree we have to keep more civility here, so we attract and KEEP new members! Not that posters can't have fun and tease one another... but it seems with the threads I have been reading, they can also deteriorate within 1 or 2 posts into a fight.

How do you the posters, want to see this place for the positive? What limits can you self impose, so that we as moderators don't have to step in. No one wants a site where the mods are forever closing down or deleting threads. Not even us mods! However in order for that to happen, self restraint by posters is necessary. I am very interested in hearing what the members think!

To create a Mission Statement properly and thoroughly means starting at the beginning and discovering Successvibe's values and then its Life Purpose - Yes, it can be done as well for organizations as for individuals. But that will take a lot of work and require a lot of input, and I'm not sure everyone wants to make that effort.

So, instead, I'll offer a shortcut method to arrive at a sound and appropriate Mission Statement.

1. List our most important values - narrow this down to the 3 most important values.

2. Go directly to the mission statement by incorporating those values into a mission statement based on the format of 'The Best Mission Statement in the World' : These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Her five year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

With that as a basis for determining the SV Mission Statement, I think we can come up with something meaningful, not just something thrown together on a whim that sounds nice for now.

If you want to proceed along those lines, my suggestion for the 3 most important values SV should hold are:

Tolerance
Growth
Friendship

Personally,

I think the munber of posts for new members before they can advertise in their signature lines should go up to a minimum of 50 - 100 posts. Anyone who is willing to wait to have that many posts here, will be less likely to SPAM our regular members here. I have been cleaning up the spam from the older posts the last few days, and there is a LOT if it. That number would be reduced significantly if the mark or milestone was at least 50 posts. Enough to discourage the spammers who make as many as a dozen posts, then never show up again. Meanwhile - their signature lines are still advertising their business and they haven't been here or posted in over 2 years!

I think what you mean by :"Let's keep it CLEAN", needs to be clarified. PORN or even pseudo porn jokes should not be allowed, period.

Put downs, slams against other members should not be tolerated. Too many fights break out, and this is a BUSINESS site now. Sure discussion is bound to be heated at times, but putting others down should not be part of that. I agree we have to keep more civility here, so we attract and KEEP new members! Not that posters can't have fun and tease one another... but it seems with the threads I have been reading, they can also deteriorate within 1 or 2 posts into a fight.

How do you the posters, want to see this place for the positive? What limits can you self impose, so that we as moderators don't have to step in. No one wants a site where the mods are forever closing down or deleting threads. Not even us mods! However in order for that to happen, self restraint by posters is necessary. I am very interested in hearing what the members think!


And there you are after two posts laying down the law:biglaugh:

I would say that two out of three are good spidey! :thumb:

Growth
Friendship (Community)
Excellence

The only problem I have with tolerance is the connotation that one should turn a blind eye to something rather than speak out when you think something is wrong. For example, the events over the past week - I imagine Spider feels some of us should have been more tolerant of Zaul and Masera's outbursts and not spoken out, whereas I think it is only reasonable that people should feel free to voice dissatisfaction.

I don't agree with personal attacks, but then I don't agree with attacks on the community either.

I would like to propose several values:

Growth
Excellence / Raising one's bar
Community / friendship
peer to peer SUPPORT
Fun

I would say that two out of three are good spidey! :thumb:

Growth
Friendship (Community)
Excellence

FUN!

Forgot FUN! Thanks Paul:thumb:

Personally,

I think the munber of posts for new members before they can advertise in their signature lines should go up to a minimum of 50 - 100 posts. Anyone who is willing to wait to have that many posts here, will be less likely to SPAM our regular members here. I have been cleaning up the spam from the older posts the last few days, and there is a LOT if it. That number would be reduced significantly if the mark or milestone was at least 50 posts. Enough to discourage the spammers who make as many as a dozen posts, then never show up again. Meanwhile - their signature lines are still advertising their business and they haven't been here or posted in over 2 years!


I agree with this. Or another suggestion is that the signature removes if the member has not been active for a certain period of time (2 months?).


I think what you mean by :"Let's keep it CLEAN", needs to be clarified. PORN or even pseudo porn jokes should not be allowed, period.


Yes. Not sure about how you define pseudo porn jokes though. Is Benny Hill type humor acceptable or not for example? I think in general people know when we see it that a line has been crossed or not, but it's hard to define it in advance. Of course, what someone considers funny, someone else doesn't.

But I do agree with the sentiment and also cleaning up the language on the site. It's hardly going to attract people with smut all over the place.


Put downs, slams against other members should not be tolerated. Too many fights break out, and this is a BUSINESS site now. Sure discussion is bound to be heated at times, but putting others down should not be part of that. I agree we have to keep more civility here, so we attract and KEEP new members! Not that posters can't have fun and tease one another... but it seems with the threads I have been reading, they can also deteriorate within 1 or 2 posts into a fight.


Again, I agree with this. But how it is defined is a little bit more difficult.

There have been several instances where I can think of that someone has made a joke with someone else because they know them, but a third person feels that it was an attack, jumps in, defends the person and an argument ensues, where all the time it was a much ado about nothing.

Also, something is said in chat, people get frustrated with someone, want to break their pattern to help them and the comment is seen out of context.

At the same time, I find some comments here hidden behind the veil of being direct and honest, as very hurtful to people and very presumptious too. That can be attributed to writing/communicating style perhaps.

I think there will always be grey areas in this kind of interactive community. I think it's perhaps more necessary to look at the intent behind the message than some times the message itself.

One suggestion which I have seen on another forum is to have a grievance area. If you think someone has been offensive to you, take it to a mod, they set up a thread where only the mod and those parties can post. Then each side states their position and the mod tries to find a path that satisfies both sides. No more than two posts each person. The idea is to aim at reconciliation and clarification.


How do you the posters, want to see this place for the positive? What limits can you self impose, so that we as moderators don't have to step in. No one wants a site where the mods are forever closing down or deleting threads. Not even us mods! However in order for that to happen, self restraint by posters is necessary. I am very interested in hearing what the members think!

I need to think more on this as it is quite open ended. I know most people would prefer to avoid any heavy handed moderation and heck, you'd think a site focused on success and being better wouldn't need it wouldn't you. But it is also evident that self policing and self restraint doesn't always work. So, I think we need something, just not sure what yet.

Paul

I also forgot one Scooter....

RESPECT for your fellow forumites.

I prefer this to tolerance myself.

Paul

Personally,

I think the munber of posts for new members before they can advertise in their signature lines should go up to a minimum of 50 - 100 posts. Anyone who is willing to wait to have that many posts here, will be less likely to SPAM our regular members here. I have been cleaning up the spam from the older posts the last few days, and there is a LOT if it. That number would be reduced significantly if the mark or milestone was at least 50 posts. Enough to discourage the spammers who make as many as a dozen posts, then never show up again. Meanwhile - their signature lines are still advertising their business and they haven't been here or posted in over 2 years!

I think what you mean by :"Let's keep it CLEAN", needs to be clarified. PORN or even pseudo porn jokes should not be allowed, period.

Put downs, slams against other members should not be tolerated. Too many fights break out, and this is a BUSINESS site now. Sure discussion is bound to be heated at times, but putting others down should not be part of that. I agree we have to keep more civility here, so we attract and KEEP new members! Not that posters can't have fun and tease one another... but it seems with the threads I have been reading, they can also deteriorate within 1 or 2 posts into a fight.

How do you the posters, want to see this place for the positive? What limits can you self impose, so that we as moderators don't have to step in. No one wants a site where the mods are forever closing down or deleting threads. Not even us mods! However in order for that to happen, self restraint by posters is necessary. I am very interested in hearing what the members think!

Thank you!!! :rulz:

Thinktoms Vibe "pledge" was/is a great guideline for one to follow. In his case, he indicated what he wanted to get out of his vibe experience, and also put forth what could/should be expected of him.

In my case, I went a slightly different route and made no bones of the fact that I will be a pain in the ass at times, but certainly not disrespectful or disruptive.

IMO, I dont think we need a mission statement here, as the overall tone and purpose is clear. The core group of posters here is already living the mission....to share ideas, victories, setbacks, and general observations of the human condition. We also strive to each be president of one anothers' fan clubs, and follow up each wack on the bum with a virtual hug.

The only problem I have with tolerance is the connotation that one should turn a blind eye to something rather than speak out when you think something is wrong. For example, the events over the past week - I imagine Spider feels some of us should have been more tolerant of Zaul and Masera's outbursts and not spoken out, whereas I think it is only reasonable that people should feel free to voice dissatisfaction.





Personally, I like tolerance, but I can see how it would be interpreted as blind acceptance to unacceptable behavior too. Maybe patience would be another way of stating it?

I feel respect covers tolerance and possibly patience.

The challenge we are faced with is finding 3-5 top values and if we have input to start with from 20 people we are bound to have some differences. :yikes:

I am pleased how we are really close, out of the gate, on the values we agree upon. That says something about out little community doesn't it?

Scooter

Somehow, and Im the biggest culprit in many cases, we find it difficult to exercise restraint. Think of how quickly alot of the the drama would have fizzled out had many of us not taken the bait?

Perhaps it is endemic to success minded people to try and fix something perceived as broken, no matter how many prior attempts have failed?

I know its one of my shortcomings! I cant stop myself from "setting people straight" in everyday interactions.

Hmmm....As the tribal leaders in "Dances With Wolves" said...We should talk about this some more.....:hmm:

Thanks for all your input everyone!

The main reason for me wanting a mission statement was so we could define what this forum is about.

I think as long as we all have similar values, ideas, and goals the site will work well.

Over the next week or so I will put together a set of rules and guidelines that we all need to follow to keep the forum going in the right direction and to limit the arguments people have from time to time.

Some members will not agree on certain moderation issues and some will. The main reason for the moderators on the site is to clear up the spam, monitor new posters, stop filthy language and to nip any serious arguments in the bud.

The moderators are here to help this community run better and not to victimize or bully members. Please remember this.

If anyone has any concerns, please let me know.

Thanks for your support during this transition.
Gavin

And so it begins.

Jennifer

I think it can all be summed up this way, just follow the Golden Rule. ;)

Respect is tantamount, for sure. So is tolerance and patience. I really like what I have seen a lot of posters come up with here. Mind you I don't know about doing the values thing here for the site... with so many opinions, that could take a long time.

However I really like Paul's idea's here:

Growth
Excellence / Raising one's bar
Community / friendship
peer to peer SUPPORT
Fun

I think all those values would make a great mission statement! :thumb:

I think Paul nailed it all on the head with the "Peer to Peer Support"
So simple, yet so true! Fun, friendship, excellence and much growth all come out of peer to peer support, emphasis on the support. Which helps to build a strong cohesive community. Paul, I think you are bang on! :yup:

My values:

1 - My 7yo calling me his best friend
2 - A night when all the kids stay at grandma's
3 - Photo finish of the Daytona 500

LOL Bats!!

I had not read this thread until now and feel compelled to offer my $.03 ($.02 adjusted for inflation) as follows:

The mission statement of this community forum, and rules and regulations governing behavior, already exist, IMO, in the shape of the myriad of posts and personalities herein - nothing for the Forum is needed - forums are for establishing and promoting a community.

For the content portal, I would think the new ownership should establish the missions statement for themselves, it is for commerce.

When paired up with a content rich portal like has been done, there needs to be, IMO, a wall between the direct business objectives of the portal (which is itself a place for commerce), and for the area where people of a similar philosphy, or similar objectives come to exchange ideas, stories, experiences, and interpersonal communication in all its' imperfect forms. Should the portal side have specific guidelines - you bet. Is the forum technically 'owned' - yes. Does that person have the right to establish whatever guidelines they choose? - Yes.

The real question, and one which has, IMO, already been answered elsewhere, is what MAKES a community, the software and bandwidth, or the PEOPLE who use it? I believe it is the people. SO it stands to reason that to ensure the financial viability of any venture, the customers must be the central focus - they drive the traffic, the traffic drives search engine position, and the traffic will contain wheat, as well as chaff.

Either we trust and empower the 'customer', or we do not. Who is the 'customer' for the forum? We all are.

The reason this site was attractive for purchase is that there was a vibrant community, and a good 'vibe'. Notice I did not say an anti-septic or perfect 'vibe', I said a good 'vibe'. Change too much on the community site, and the Vibe may no longer have a good 'vibe' - and thus the traffic, as well as the potential seen before the purchase, will evaporate, IMO.

I am not a fan of censorship, and am also not a fan of bannings or heavy moderation. Ideally, the community is essentially self-policing with limited needs for moderation. I think that is what we have now. Previous ownership responded quickly and warmly to the requests of the community, and that led to this being a vibrant and enjoyable place to be.

Long story short in typical KG fashion - I recommend the status quo for the forum side, and respect and encourage whatever guidelines for submissions to the portal side ownership might desire.

John

Now if we had an influx of NAMBLA members the community may change substantially, perhaps even supplant the existing community.

I am a proud member of the North American Marlon Brando Love Association

And so it begins.

Jennifer

So what begins? The forums moving on from the petty sniping and arguments with a bit of luck.

Is that it Jen? No positive contribution to make?

It is evident the board cannot self-moderate but if you have a proposal to make that would allow it to do so, I thin Gavin and the Mod have already said they would like to hear it.

Paul

I hate rules!! :curse:

Just joking...I think it's a good idea especially since this community is growing and there are many newcomers.

I always suspected ParadiseWaits was a NAMBLA member. :D

I always suspected ParadiseWaits was a NAMBLA member. :D

Stella!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stella!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I coulda BEEN somebody, I coulda been a CONTENDA!

I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse.

I think the point is to codify how we want the community to be. So that new people coming in know what is expected.

A community changes with the members much like the radical change this community had with the influx of TR people. Now if we had an influx of Snoop Doggers or Muslim Extremists or Tiny Tim Fan Club members the community may change substantially, perhaps even supplant the existing community.

I thing a mission statement and a list of guidelines is good.

Did not half the problems at the TR board occur because there was no way to determine what the rules where after the change?The REAL problems arose because the rules/guidelines in place were sooooo basic and vague that when they were in question, there were ZERO guidelines for the Moderators to fall back on, and more often than not, personalities came in to play. AND frequently, the Moderators themselves were either a contributing or originating source of the problems.

My sugestions would be to err on the side of restraint of crafting Rules, and if they need to be pulled out, there be some arbitration process, as someone suggested earlier. to

I would recommend determining, by way of a poll, the 3 most important values held by the members of this community. A simple poll with all the values so far noted, plus any others that might be introduced, and everyone have one vote for the single most important value. The top 3 would be it.

A mission statement would be written based on those three values. We might all suggest wording, but it would really be the statement compiled by Gavin that holds sway.

There should be no rules. Or, rather, there should be one rule - If Gavin (or person he nominates = moderator) doesn't like it, it gets deleted. If Gavin doesn't like a forumite, they get banned.

Rationale - this is not a democracy, there is no free speech. It is Gavin's site and he is entitled to have what he chooses and get rid of what he doesn't want. Hopefully, he will wield such power with consideration for us forumites because it is in his interest to do so, but I don't see why he should make rules within which he would be bound to operate. The mission statement should be enough.

Did not half the problems at the TR board occur because there was no way to determine what the rules where after the change?

Actually, 100% of the problems occured BECAUSE of the change, which is in essence, exactly what is being proposed here.

So take it for what it's worth. I see the writing on the wall and I'll ride this wave as long as it's fun, educational, fun, informative and fun. Because NO THING and no forum online is worth spending time on if it's not fun. I can get information from about a million places (google? hello?) besides this that don't require time and nearly no effort. I come here because of the community aspect and I learn along the way.

Forums like this are "value-added" aspects of most websites and similar portals. They are there to attract people to the place where the end result is that SOME of the people buy a product. The forum itself is secondary. An attraction. A neon light in the front window.

Gavin, the ONLY reason this forum is viable in it's current incarnation is because of the Anthony Robbins exodus and the incredible graciousness of Tom. We know how SV was before we came. We know what happened to TR when we left. I'm not saying you owe us anything but the facts are the facts. If it is your intention to modify the overall "tone" of this place, that is of course your business. You can set some basic rules, but you can't contain and control people. If it is your desire to, they will leave.

My mission statement would include terms like:

Fun (obviously)
Sense of community
Variety of topics
Intelligent conversation
Intelligent debate
Advice, giving/getting
Overall sense of positivity
Information


Jennifer

Personally,

I think the munber of posts for new members before they can advertise in their signature lines should go up to a minimum of 50 - 100 posts. Anyone who is willing to wait to have that many posts here, will be less likely to SPAM our regular members here. I have been cleaning up the spam from the older posts the last few days, and there is a LOT if it. That number would be reduced significantly if the mark or milestone was at least 50 posts. Enough to discourage the spammers who make as many as a dozen posts, then never show up again. Meanwhile - their signature lines are still advertising their business and they haven't been here or posted in over 2 years! There SHOULD be some minimum standards, even at the sign up. All you need is an email address and you're in! There are THOUSANDS of places to register for a free address.

Make it a LITTLE more "exclusive" to be here. The more info they complete at registration (and later) the more "Free Reports" or similar Value-added stuff they would get.

Actual Name and Locality (at sign up) might be a good thing too.

I think that IP recognition software might be something to think about too.
I think what you mean by :"Let's keep it CLEAN", needs to be clarified. PORN or even pseudo porn jokes should not be allowed, period. That was a pretty good test, huh? good thing I didn't post any WuffP@rn.

Maybe there needs to be a Satire Section in the Forums, because I think I've see satireisticlly-bent posts from just about everyone here. Seems it's a "mine's OK, but yours is over-the-line" determination call on lots of stuff.

One thing I think people need to really get over is any "This shouldn't be allowed here because I don't like it" mentality about most of the stuff they have. There are times when the (yes, I will say "it") super-syrupy stuff is borderline offensive to me (and others too), but I allow you your good time, because thats YOUR Good Time and it works for you! so do reMember ..... "Respect for Others" does work best when it flows in ALL ways. My Aunt Pearl taught me that. Shes now 95+ years alive.
Put downs, slams against other members should not be tolerated. Too many fights break out, and this is a BUSINESS site now. Sure discussion is bound to be heated at times, but putting others down should not be part of that. I agree we have to keep more civility here, so we attract and KEEP new members! Not that posters can't have fun and tease one another... but it seems with the threads I have been reading, they can also deteriorate within 1 or 2 posts into a fight. I think this is a good place to bring this to light,since nobody wants to talk about it.
During the recent "Successvibe Book" drive, it came to light that a certain mega-multiple-identity individual was spreading lies and induendo about a bunch of people; on line, in the chat room, and PMs. The biggest problem wasn't so much the lies, but that some of those people chose to believe the lies instead of asking those about whom the lies were spread. Even after it was revealed that this tackyowlbesera individual was a consumate liar. THAT caused some 'friction' that is still in place, even with several attempts to get past that episode. Did "Martin" do his homework, or what? I'd suggest that those people get over those things said that you know or suspect were not true, because you are only keeping alive the spirit of that whole episode.
How do you the posters, want to see this place for the positive? What limits can you self impose, so that we as moderators don't have to step in. No one wants a site where the mods are forever closing down or deleting threads. Not even us mods! However in order for that to happen, self restraint by posters is necessary. I am very interested in hearing what the members think!One thing I'd suggest is not to over-react, because you haven't yet closed or deleted that many threads.

There is far more "self-imposed limits" and restraint being utilized right now than you might be giving credit for. I know you are new here, and represent a new ownership, but this place has been functional since 2004, and experienced it's previous large influx of activity 5 months ago.

Sa for the Positive direction for SuccessVibe Forums, I'd like to hear from the management what THEIR specific vision for this place. We can see the Start Page and that direction, but what do You want here?

So what begins? The forums moving on from the petty sniping and arguments with a bit of luck.

Is that it Jen? No positive contribution to make?

It is evident the board cannot self-moderate but if you have a proposal to make that would allow it to do so, I thin Gavin and the Mod have already said they would like to hear it.

Paul

You've changed.

Jennifer

Try and recall what happened at TR...not once were we asked for our advice. The mods said they were making some changes and that was that. We were shocked by the changes and disappointed.

Gavin is kind enough to ask OUR opinion. I think we should offer whatever we have to offer without being negative.

Jenni, you're right about fun being important, thats why most of us continue to come back. I don't think his intentions is to take our fun away.

I'd suggest something more than "the top three Values." I can already tell you, after surveying more than 30 groups over a 5 year period, the Top Two Values of the Human Condition are Love and Truth. That was the agreed-upon determination of each of those 30+ groups, in a whole class process that took sometimes 3 hours to complete. In the US, Canada and Denmark, Germany and Costa Rica.

I would instead suggest doing something more like The Code of Conduct from day 10 of the Time Of Your Life. It was something that Tony came up with after he was having a particularly challenging visit to Milwaukee. He was reading a bio on Ben Franklin, who described how he set out to master one emotional state or way of being each year for 12 years. Ben liked the process and results so much that he went on to do that the rest of his long life. Tony identified 6 Emotional State originally (I think) and has since added a couple more, and changes them when the need arises.

So what is a Code of Conduct? Well, it's much like it sounds ..... a defined way of Living or BEing that you hold yourself up to.
Where or how do you start to Identify those states for a list? Well, essentially the same way or place that Values are found. or You can select several from any number of lists, and hone them down from there. I like to suggest a list of perhaps 15-20 (if you can think of that many) and concentrate your energies in Centering in on those 4 or 5 or 6 that strengthen You.
Here for example are mine from my DWD poster board, refined several times since 1998. All are someplace in my Moving Towards Values, although they do not necessarily need to be.


LOVE ~ FAITH ~ JOY
FLEXIBILITY & AGILITY
COURAGE & CONFIDENCE
SPONTANIOUS CREATIVITY
PURPOSEFUL PASSION & CONVICTION
TRUTH


Perhaps we need to have a poll of maybe 30-40-50 different PowerFilled Emotional States to iendtify those to which we aspire. Maybe that works for you, and maybe it doesn't, but I think that is another solution to having just 3 Values. Heck, I've seen lists of 15 that had one only one or two Values in common with mine.




oh ..... as a part of Identifying the Top Two Values in those classes, we also Identified the Bottom Two Values of the Human Condition. What are they? Again, by unanimous agreement of 40+ International Classes .....

Hate & Fear

You've changed.

JenniferThat's an interesting statement. you say that almost like change is a bad thing.

My opinion was asked. I trying hard to not be ambiguous. :D

That's an interesting statement. you say that almost like change is a bad thing.

Not all change is good.

Jennifer

Not all change is good.

JenniferAnd, reMembering that Your Thoughts and Words and Feelings make a difference, your implications in your two posts point to which variety?

And, reMembering that Your Thoughts and Words and Feelings make a difference, your implications in your two posts point to which variety?She may be channeling Yogi Berra.

For those of us who came here as a result of a perhaps(?) well-intentioned but unbelievably poorly managed transition to be 'more businesslike' at a particular self-improvement forum that will remain unnamed (cough TonyRobbins cough), '...it's like deja vu all over again...'

As I stated before, I believe there is and should be a distinct difference between the forums and the community that makes it up, and the obviously commercial aspect of a content rich portal. I doubt that any semi-rational adult would confuse a raucus discussion on the pro's and cons of Nationalized Health Care, in an identified Politics forum for example, as being in any way representative of the quality of audio programs from Nightingale-Conant or dissuade them from following a link to desirable content. But then I give a great deal of credit to my fellow human beans.

Creating and enforcing rules on the masses as a result of the intentional, willful, and disruptive behavior of a handful of bad actors is bad policy, IMO.

Community standards should be set by the community, and I think that has been fairly well done here. Are there Prudes and Potty Mouths? Yup, just like the real world - and they may not always get along but it seems to me these things almost always have a way of working theselves out without significant intervention.

In other words, reserve the big hammer for the big problems.

John

Community rules are set to protect everyone, even those in the minority and not part of groups and to set an atmosphere amenable to new members. This is a "Success" community after all, it should be clear what that means and what that does not mean.

And I am proud to be part of it.

Jennifer

You've changed.

Jennifer

Thanks Jen. I've been working hard at it this year.

So what ever happened with this?
Did the idea just fade away?

Seems the Forum has changed much over the past year and maybe some focus is needed...

So what ever happened with this?
Did the idea just fade away?

Seems the Forum has changed much over the past year and maybe some focus is needed...

How has it changed?

So what ever happened with this?
Did the idea just fade away?

Seems the Forum has changed much over the past year and maybe some focus is needed...

I think it has changed around here too Scooter -for the better! No fights, everyone seems to be really focused and off being successful. I look around and so many people here are taking action!! I think the majority of posters here are taking action and improving their lives in some way, shape or form.

I think people post or start threads, that help them as individuals to focus. At least that is what I see around here. Just what is it, that you think needs changing Scooter???

Joanne and Cat, it’s fair for you to ask.
Some of the “things” that I have seen lately here on SV is a lack of activity, good people posting less and some degree of tolling on an increase.

Its not that there are any major changes its just a subtle shift I feel I have seen. Sometimes with a lack of clarity there is a tendency to wander seeking focus and maybe that’s what I was referring to here. If we had a mission and vision there might be a more direct focus.

And then again, read my signature :D

And then again, Seeks turnaround this year has really been worth the price of admission!
Way to go Seek!

I'm with Cat Lover on this one...I think we've all come a long way :rulz:

Joanne and Cat, it’s fair for you to ask.
Some of the “things” that I have seen lately here on SV is a lack of activity, good people posting less and some degree of tolling on an increase.

Its not that there are any major changes its just a subtle shift I feel I have seen. Sometimes with a lack of clarity there is a tendency to wander seeking focus and maybe that’s what I was referring to here. If we had a mission and vision there might be a more direct focus.

And then again, read my signature :D

And then again, Seeks turnaround this year has really been worth the price of admission!
Way to go Seek!

Well, I'll tell ya what Scooter - You start writing the mission statement and I'll jump in sometime in January. I don't have time till then, but would be willing to help out with a project like that in the New Year. On a personal note, I always notice a lag on every forum come late fall / early winter. Also in the summer too when everyone is on holidays. Which may explain why trolls seem more noticable, when regular posters aren't here posting as much as they usually do... However, I have noticed that many, many posters here are taking massive action in the last year!! More so than I ever noticed at TR. It seems the majority of us are all doing something to take us out of our comfort zones. We are all very successful in that we aren't just here posting, but taking action! I miss a number of people who don't post as much as they once did, but am so impressed by what everyone is achieving this past year!!

This is a Summary of Previous Posts: *PLEASE forgive me if I repeat myself...*
- RESPECT everyone and try to treat everyone fairly! (while everyone can still express their opinion in an open, honest manner!)
- Be energetic and spirited and positive
- Sharing resources and ideas as part of our common quest for success
a) try to be very specific when talking to other members, because they have to be absolutely clear in what you are saying...
b) we can all try to be active in posting at successvibe, as well as following our own personal goals & desires
- Help each other grow which in turns helps you grow.
- Excellence (sets goals for successvibe and try to conquer them)
- peer to peer SUPPORT:
a) understanding that everyone here as members is here to help each other, and is here for a positive outcome, and no matter what any member does they are trying to help and be there for you is VERY VERY IMPORTANT.
b) go out of your way to help another member in need if you really dont understand them, is something that means alot to that member and is very kind for the whole successvibe community as a whole
- Friendship
- no spammers, advertisers
a) Signature of member should only be allowed if member is active for 2 months or has posted 50-100 posts of nonspam material
b) no porn or nudity, pseudo porn jokes, possibly even dirty jokes
- clean-friendly environment that invites newbies like me
- Tolerance
- trying to understand people who can be irritating and annoying (i know this is a really hard one but patience, and a smoke break might help as well :) )
- Fun (but without hurting one's feelings)
- no discrimination against religion, color, or whatever else you can think of.
- Admins, moderators, Ops, etc. should listen to the needs of its members and its people.
- Make successvibe forums ALWAYS FREE for memberS, NO MONEY NO CREDIT CARD INFO
if there is anything im missing then please post it.

P.S. Most of this is from what previous posters have said. Soo, if im missing something please feel free to add it.

Hopefully this is helpful!