just curious. It's interesting no one saw or commented on it until today.

just curious. It's interesting no one saw or commented on it until today.

Has it happened to others, or just to Avi? I have no idea where my count is at, so wouldn't notice. Okay, for the record my post count as of 4-7-07, 3:55p.m CDT is....679 (counting this post)

Dwindling post counts??? How will I ever catch up to Paul@ now??????

Dwindling post count?

Are you seeing a big difference in your post count?Yes. 130 some posts since I last looked a couple weeks ago. I am currently looking into this. I have determined what has happened and as soon as I know more I should be able to let you know. I already have an idea of w'happened. but it will be good to have that verified.

I have been cleaning up and deleting some threads, made by previously banned members. So if your post count goes down, it is not aimed at you individually. Just getting rid of banned members threads.

Unfortunately when a thread is deleted, this makes the post count of those who posted to the thread, get reduced. This is a regular practice of many websites. This will explain some of the smaller post counts. :tiphat:

I have been cleaning up and deleting some threads, made by previously banned members. So if your post count goes down, it is not aimed at you individually. Just getting rid of banned members threads.

Unfortunately when a thread is deleted, this makes the post count of those who posted to the thread, get reduced. This is a regular practice of many websites. This will explain some of the smaller post counts. :tiphat:Thanks for the clarification.

I knew it wasn't aimed at me, and like I said, I already figgered board cleansing was the reason, but it appears others were not even aware of it.

I know that some other sites that do the cleansing/delete-thing also let people know their posts are being deleted in such-and-such thread, usually as a courtesy in case they want to save any portion of their comments.

How many more threads are headed for the scrap pile?

If he's wiping the LOA threads, we're all going to look like we just signed up! LOL

Thanks for the clarification.

I knew it wasn't aimed at me, and like I said, I already figgered board cleansing was the reason, but it appears others were not even aware of it.

I know that some other sites that do the cleansing/delete-thing also let people know their posts are being deleted in such-and-such thread, usually as a courtesy in case they want to save any portion of their comments.

How many more threads are headed for the scrap pile?

I don't have time to post messages or threads stating there is cleaning up going on, nor should I have to. So I will state this now, for all to know and hear. When threads are deleted, your post count will go down. Expect this to happen from time to time.

This is due course to clean up and delete banned members posts and threads they started, for most sites. I have yet to see a site make mention of the fact they are doing any house cleaning. I will reply when possible to answer the odd question, if it was me who took an action that needs an answer.

I will not be explaining my every move, every time I do a clean up. Sorry, just don't have time for that unecessary measure. As for how many more? I am on the end of page 3 of about 12 pages of threads to go through for the one banned member.

I don't know how many more there will be. I will not be posting as to when the cleaning will continue. My time here is limited to about an hour a week. When I get to it, I will get to it. It is a long, arduous task to do.

Also a current thread that gets temporarily deleted, may come back. Please do not start threads asking where it went. Wait 3 or 4 days. It takes the owner a few days sometimes to check them out, and give approval to put it back. Some threads disappear for a time, to let the Super Mod and owner check them out. This has been done about a half dozen times already, and the threads have all been brought back.

Please realize we are all volunteers here. We don't have a lot of time to be explaining our every move, for house cleaning for eg. Sorry, but that just isn't going to happen. We have lives too. We would like time to spend with our spouses and kids as much as possible.

We are attempting to stay as "hands off" as possible. Realize that clean up is necessary, and it will be happening. Spread the word to other members for us. We really don't want to be answering the same questions such as this again and again. We are trying to stay in the background and not be seen too much, just quietly go about our work. Not that we don't want to engage you in conversation, we just don't have a lot of time for that.

Please be patient with us, while we get our cleaning done and learn from Gavin what he deems acceptable. We are getting a better feel now for what he will or will not approve of, but are not there 100% yet. Your cooperation and patience would be appreciated greatly. :tiphat:

I personally think we non-banned, mature users posted some excellent information in those threads, notwithstanding the banned member's occasional juvenile outbursts.

I, for one, protest this action. Officially.

There is much someone could learn from those threads. Especially someone in the banned poster's shoes but maybe a tad less immature.

This is why I hate moderation. I'm sorry, did I say hate? I meant despise. They end up justifying their existance with censorship and bad decisions. :mad:

Big grrrrrrrr!

Jennifer

I personally think we non-banned, mature users posted some excellent information in those threads, notwithstanding the banned member's occasional juvenile outbursts.

I, for one, protest this action. Officially.

There is much someone could learn from those threads. Especially someone in the banned poster's shoes but maybe a tad less immature.

This is why I hate moderation. I'm sorry, did I say hate? I meant despise. They end up justifying their existance with censorship and bad decisions. :mad:

Big grrrrrrrr!

Jennifer

You make a good point there Jen. There is definitely much to be learned from those threads :rulz:

You make a good point there Jen. There is definitely much to be learned from those threads :rulz:

I guess it's moot now. Daddy knows what's best for us, Jo. We can't decide that for ourselves. We're too little.

Jennifer

double post

As with anything, there are two sides to the argument. I feel that we should have been told that our posts would be deleted. Many members spent a lot of time sharing information and advice that was now been thrown away. It would have only taken a minute to let the community know. Actually deleting the threads will take hours and I'm sure Moderator's reply took a good five minutes to write. So not having time isn't a valid excuse, in my opinion.

Then you have to consider Gavin's perspective on how he wants to run this element of his business. He's been nothing but helpful and I don't have a bad word to say against him. If he doesn't want negative threads tarnishing his website, then that's his decision.

With all that said, I think we should have at least been told. It's the users that keep this community running and the last thing you need to do is alienate them.

This isn't just another forum, this is Success Vibe! :thumb:

This is due course to clean up and delete banned members posts and threads they started
to Delete in totality the posts and threads of banned people. Kinda like a selective Electronic Cleansing. Kinda like they never existed. poooooof!


My Opinion Only ..... moo
This way of keeping a posting board 'happy' and 'safe' and 'clean' is, in my opinion, a poor way to deal with "it". The VAST majority of those posts and threads were in total compliance with the Forum Rules and Guidelines, both former and current. While The Clear-Cut method of providing a safe posting environment is in the Rules, it really goes against the Welfare and Intent of the Community as a whole.

If the Moderation Team is on page 3 of 12, and 170 of my posts have already been deleted in this phase of the pink-pearl frenzy, I guess I can expect to see perhaps as many as ...... hundreds more headed for the great posting board in the sky. That means overall, hundreds upon hundreds and perhaps even THOUSANDS of posts from the assemblage of SuccessVibe Members over the past 3 years will have been made for naught. Granted, many of those post targeted for deletion were nonsensical comment or conversation or flippant observation, but many of those posts were highly articulate and ripe with excellent advice and information from which any and all can learn. This new policy of retroactive clear-cut Electronic Cleansing speaks to the value placed on my and my fellow Members participation here.

Thanks. You just made a couple decisions more clear.



PS ..... I suspect this thread will eventually find it's way to that deleted pile.
probably sooner than later.


Happy Easter!
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The threads that have been deleted, were mainly fighting threads. Not chock full of good advice, as you suggest sir mantarays.

For starters, when a member is banned no one is able to access their posts anymore anyways. They are removed from the members list, once banned. So it is in making our jobs easier as Mods to find these threads and "delete" them into the moderated area, for us to compare to new ID's these banned posters make. Also for cleaning purposes, yes. The only way to even see the banned members posts now is by accident! You have to find a thread that they posted on, then you can look at the profile as a Mod. As a Mod, I can't even find them by looking through the members list. Sorry this isn't to your liking. Nothing I seem to do is to your personal liking though.

I think you have a hidden agenda against me as Moderator sir mantarays. From the very first day here, you have been determined to stir up the pot and do your best to harass me. First the kitty porn thread, where you admitted to "testing" me? I still have no idea what THAT was about. Then the constant PM's saying "Tsk tsk, you should have done it this way instead" Then the threads made, saying the same things. Is this recent bout from you perhaps because I banned your most recent ID? You already had 4, you don't need or deserve a 5th ID!

I for one am tiring of your relentless PM's and threads stating how you think I am doing everything wrong and nothing right in your opinion mantarays. You keep saying you want "hands off" moderation around here, yet you personally are doing everything you can to ensure it is "hands on". Your actions speak louder than your words. I can't even clean up threads around here from banned members which no one can really access easily anyways, without getting berated by you now? Enough is enough sir mantarays.

Yes, you are probably right this thread will probably get deleted now by Wanderer or the owner. I do not wish to engage in arguing with you. I am not going to tolerate being nitpicked to death by you either though. So how about you cool your jets and stop the constant slew of PM's and threads aimed at me now? You don't need FIVE ID's here. Get over it.

The threads that have been deleted, were mainly fighting threads. Not chock full of good advice, as you suggest sir mantarays.

For starters, when a member is banned no one is able to access their posts anymore anyways. They are removed from the members list, once banned. So it is in making our jobs easier as Mods to find these threads and "delete" them into the moderated area, for us to compare to new ID's these banned posters make. Also for cleaning purposes, yes. The only way to even see the banned members posts now is by accident! You have to find a thread that they posted on, then you can look at the profile as a Mod. As a Mod, I can't even find them by looking through the members list. Sorry this isn't to your liking. Nothing I seem to do is to your personal liking though.

I think you have a hidden agenda against me as Moderator sir mantarays. From the very first day here, you have been determined to stir up the pot and do your best to harass me. First the kitty porn thread, where you admitted to "testing" me? I still have no idea what THAT was about. Then the constant PM's saying "Tsk tsk, you should have done it this way instead" Then the threads made, saying the same things. Is this recent bout from you perhaps because I banned your most recent ID? You already had 4, you don't need or deserve a 5th ID!

I for one am tiring of your relentless PM's and threads stating how you think I am doing everything wrong and nothing right in your opinion mantarays. You keep saying you want "hands off" moderation around here, yet you personally are doing everything you can to ensure it is "hands on". Your actions speak louder than your words. I can't even clean up threads around here from banned members which no one can really access easily anyways, without getting berated by you now? Enough is enough sir mantarays.

Yes, you are probably right this thread will probably get deleted now by Wanderer or the owner. I do not wish to engage in arguing with you. I am not going to tolerate being nitpicked to death by you either though. So how about you cool your jets and stop the constant slew of PM's and threads aimed at me now? You don't need FIVE ID's here. Get over it.

I'm generally a pretty quiet person around here when it comes to disputes and don't say much when something bothers me. But sharing information about the content of PMs disturbs me, as does publicly flogging someone due to personal conflicts. Not to mention revealing information about a person's identity(s), which I would think would be a private matter (even the fact that they have more than one ID out here). I am very disappointed that this was just done here. The vibe around here is getting a bit intense and not in a positive way.

I'm all for it :thumb:

Personally I don't see the problem of cleaning out some of these threads if that is what Gavin and the Mods want to do. I might not bother myself, wondering if it's worth the effort, but if they think it is, then I don't see the problem with them doing that either. After all, what value do these threads serve except to fuel negative energy and emotions. We're moving on as a community and sometimes clearing up after the mess is part of that.

Paul

To clarify, I did not post the pm - which is against the rules. I implied the intent and attitude aimed at me in those PM's - not the actual content or wording.

Secondly, I did not mention the names of the five identities. Gavin has a list of all members using more than one identity and has posted about this.

If members want to stonewall or harass me, I have a right to speak up against that. I wouldn't allow another member to get harassed in this way, so why should I allow myself to be harassed? That is not what I am here for.

I am not here to fight with anyone either. People have said they do not want to see threads full of "deleted" or "edited" posts.

Would you all rather see "edited" posts by banned members and have yours remain? Or would you like to not see the "edited" strewn everywhere? From what I gathered, that was not desirable! Now I am being told otherwise. We need to see them as Mods, for comparison purposes to ensure this community is not wrecked by these banned ones coming back as 52 new id's.

The fact is, the majority of threads deleted so far, have been fighting threads that either the banned members started or were started aimed at them. I have no problem leaving informative ones up. It is the fighting ones and and uniformative ones re: the banned members that have been removed so far, to the moderation area. I just want to make that point clear. I am not saying every last post to them or from them will be demolished. I hope this will clarify things for people.

There is no heavy moderation going on here. We are trying to keep this place as great as it is. There is a difference between heavy moderation and light moderation. I realize this place didn't have moderators before, but now there is. There is bound to be some visible evidence of moderators here. The edited posts or deleted threads at times is one way in which it will be visible. We are not here to fight with you, or to defend our every move to you either. We have jobs to do here. To expect to not see any signs of moderation here at all, is very unrealistic. Why get wound up over old threads being moved to the moderators sections to make our jobs easier? We are not deleting current threads around here on a constant basis. We are cleaning up the place, let's be clear about that. I can see people getting wound up, if there were current threads being removed all the time.

We are not out to get anyone here. It would be nice though if that attitude were reciprocal towards the moderating staff. It is hard to remain nice when you get poked all the time. I am merely trying to do my job in the manner in which it was requested. As a moderator and volunteer I also deserve to be treated with dignity and treated fairly. The attitude of those few members aiming barbs at me, are not helpful to me, nor are they appreciated. The constant "testing" of me is not appreciated. In fact it is totally uncalled for.

If you want to see this community remain the way it is, please be respectful towards the moderators. I apologize for getting grouchy earlier. Even we Mods have bad days and are only human too. We make mistakes too. I will alert people to any "cleaning" if this is what is deemed necessary to keep the peace around here. Pending Gavin's approval of that, of course. I don't know if giving warning of cleaning is going to help though. Truly. It is not even possible to find those posters threads by the members list anymore. Do you all really want to comb through all your posts to save them? Do you realize how much hunting that will entail for you as members? Is it that important to the majority of posters here? Once in a while, threads get pruned as it is called and post counts go down. That is unavoidable.

It would be deeply appreciated if those few people would cut me some slack and stop the barbs and sarcasm aimed at me now. It serves no one. It only creates problems. So how about a truce? I am not here to be a heavy hand. I am here to clean up messes, not fight with anyone. If I get growled at all the time, then at times I have to growl back. Today was one of those days. For my part, I apologize.

Personally I don't see the problem of cleaning out some of these threads if that is what Gavin and the Mods want to do. I might not bother myself, wondering if it's worth the effort, but if they think it is, then I don't see the problem with them doing that either. After all, what value do these threads serve except to fuel negative energy and emotions. We're moving on as a community and sometimes clearing up after the mess is part of that.

Paul

(emphasis added)

EXACTLY! Thank you for your reply. :thumb:

I think the moderators are doing a great job - and cleaning up is part of it. We can hardly expect these posts won't ever be deleted at some point. Gosh! We only have to keep our tax records for seven years! The idea that our old utterances should remain - for what? posterity? - doesn't hold much water when you realise that 99% of our utterances every day are spoken out loud and lost to the wind instantly. What makes these posts here worthy of any permanency?

I would have preferred that moderation wasn't necessary at all, but the Members made that necessary, more so those not banned than those actually banned.

As for multiple identities - I think it's a fraud and every duplicating member should be banned. I cannot imagine any reason to have multiple identities except to cause mischief. And, if the people are not to be banned, then the rest of us should be told who they are - and their multiple names - so that we know who the devil we are talking to.

I wish to thank Mod, Super Mod and Gavin (and anyone else behind the scenes doing the grunt work.) Perhaps you could make everything self-destruct after 6 months. That'll make everyone realize that if they want any of their posts kept, they should keep them themselves, and not expect Gavin to pay for storage!

FWIW - on some other sites when this kind of cleaning is going to take place, a brief announcement is made alerting participants that if they made a contribution to a thread and they would like to keep it they should copy it, and a timeframe is given.

As a simple suggestion, it would not seem to take any real effort, for example, to say that 'all posts by so-and-so will be deleted beginning 24 hours from now, if you want to save something do so now'.

Just an idear.

And I agree, the moderation as presently exercised is just about right in my book too - good job guys!

for the Record .... no fraud intended. no harm caused.

MantaRayz - pretty evident
SantaRayz - equally evident
MuthaT - created to inject additional humor in a thread (or as you Brits perfer - humour)
>k< - Created one night in the Hot Tub with 6 people watching, as an illustration of how easy it was to do.
_____ - Someone will need to fill me in. I forget this one.

As I've said before, I've got nothing to hide.

Just clarifying what I said...To clarify, I did not post the pm - which is against the rules. I implied the intent and attitude aimed at me in those PM's - not the actual content or wording. sharing information about the content of PMs disturbs me

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Secondly, I did not mention the names of the five identities. Gavin has a list of all members using more than one identity and has posted about this. ...revealing information about a person's identity(s), which I would think would be a private matter (even the fact that they have more than one ID out here)

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BTW, I could care less what's done with the threads or posts of those who've been banned. Just piped in on the sub-drama going on here.

Thank You Spider and KG. :tiphat:

for the Record .... no fraud intended. no harm caused.

MantaRayz - pretty evident
SantaRayz (http://www.successvibe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2513) - equally evident
MuthaT (http://www.successvibe.com/forum/showthread.php?p=39368#post39368) - created to inject additional humor in a thread (or as you Brits perfer - humour)
>k< (http://www.successvibe.com/forum/showthread.php?p=33831#post33831)- Created one night in the Hot Tub with 6 people watching, as an illustration of how easy it was to do.
_____ - Someone will need to fill me in. I forget this one.

oh yeah .....number 5 is The BigEl (http://www.successvibe.com/forum/showthread.php?p=39289#post39289) - created January 8th in honor of The Kings Birthday.

pretty shocking stuff, eh?

Moderator:

I have no issue with YOU. I have issue with MODERATION. I have been online as long as there has been an ONLINE and I have never met a moderated forum that wasn't a nightmare. Some worse than others. This is the beginning of the nightmare. It always starts innocently. Most of us are here because of what I speak of.

Your basic job, in my opinion, is to remove and block spam, and to deal CONFIDENTIALLY with blatant harassment.

Other than that, what happens is none of your business. Owner or not.

If you want total control over your content, you start a blog. If you want pseudo-control, you pre-select your members.

If you open a public forum, you take humanity with all it's flaws, all it's opinions, all it's highs and lows. The good, the bad and the ugly. That is the cost of doing business in the forum world.

You ban the worst and praise the best. But never, ever delete honest, decent people's work.

You are fighting a ridiculous losing battle against Zaul. He grows bored easily when NOT provoked by tests like being banned. He has gems of wisdom that are not by accident. He is a good person underneath all his flaws.

The more you resist and fight him, the harder he will make your life. That is a lesson for YOU to learn, not him.

Jennifeer

Moderator:
I have no issue with YOU. I have issue with MODERATION. I have been online as long as there has been an ONLINE and I have never met a moderated forum that wasn't a nightmare. Some worse than others. This is the beginning of the nightmare. It always starts innocently. Most of us are here because of what I speak of.
.. Your basic job, in my opinion, is to remove and block spam, and to deal CONFIDENTIALLY with blatant harassment.
.. Other than that, what happens is none of your business. Owner or not.
.. If you want total control over your content, you start a blog. If you want pseudo-control, you pre-select your members.
.. If you open a public forum, you take humanity with all it's flaws, all it's opinions, all it's highs and lows. The good, the bad and the ugly. That is the cost of doing business in the forum world.
.. You ban the worst and praise the best. But never, ever delete honest, decent people's work.
.. You are fighting a ridiculous losing battle against Zaul. He grows bored easily when NOT provoked by tests like being banned. He has gems of wisdom that are not by accident. He is a good person underneath all his flaws.
.. The more you resist and fight him, the harder he will make your life. That is a lesson for YOU to learn, not him.
Jen,

When you start paying for the servers and T1 connection, and all the other stuff that goes along with having an online business, then you can create the rules and dictate how the facilities are to be used. Until then, you are a guest, and it would behold you to act like a guest.

Tell you what - why don't you start your own online public discussion forum - I'll join! Just let us know the URL and I'll be first to sign up.

Jen,

When you start paying for the servers and T1 connection, and all the other stuff that goes along with having an online business, then you can create the rules and dictate how the facilities are to be used. Until then, you are a guest, and it would behold you to act like a guest.

Tell you what - why don't you start your own online public discussion forum - I'll join! Just let us know the URL and I'll be first to sign up.


I'm not just a guest, Spider. I am a contributor. Therefore I am part owner. Without contributors, public forums are dead-zones floating in cyberspace. As this place once was, rumor has it.

I mind my manners here. That is my part of the bargain fulfilled.

Remember Tom? Why was he so beloved? Because he knew about public forums, how they work, and when and how to "intrude" on his high-tech ant farm. And how not to.

Jennifer

As I've said before, I've got nothing to hide.

I'll bet Steve Irwin would beg to differ... :yikes:

I'm not just a guest, Spider. I am a contributor. Therefore I am part owner. Without contributors, public forums are dead-zones floating in cyberspace. As this place once was, rumor has it.

I mind my manners here. That is my part of the bargain fulfilled.

Remember Tom? Why was he so beloved? Because he knew about public forums, how they work, and when and how to "intrude" on his high-tech ant farm. And how not to.

Jennifer

I agree with Paul & Spider. Jenni, you are not part owner here. None of us are. I have been here 2 years longer than you have, and I am a visitor, a guest, a contributor. A regular guest perhaps, but still just a guest. An owner would have legal paperwork, share in paying the bills and for the upkeep and maintenance, etc. We are not and never will be owners here. Not by merely posting some words in cyberspace, we won't be. If we use your logic, then a guest who brings a 6 pack of beer to your house, becomes an owner of your home that you paid for.

Yes Tom was very liked and respected but he also cleaned up old threads and posts too. He never told anyone he was going to do that. Our post count and member count would all of a sudden change. I don't see how someone can "intrude" on something they own. I view this as Gavin's place and we are welcome visitors here. I think it is rude to bash the very people that provide this place for us to visit. I think of the internet as one big blackboard. Anything can be wiped out at any time. Be it the content of a single post or an entire website. This isn't the Congressional Library where every single word matters!

This is like a cyber cafe where people come and go... I come here for the people, not for the words. The words may have some meaning, but what is the point of saving every single utterance? It is the people that are important. The friends I have made here, I keep in touch with by email or phone. I can save those emails, as that is within my control to save or delete. But I don't own any part of this place, none of us do except Gavin who is the rightful owner now. Why should be he be forced to save every empty beer can left on his property after a party? He is entitled to collect them and take them to the trash or recycle them or take them in for the few pennies they are worth. It is his choice, not ours.

Not unless and until we are paying the bills too, can we claim any degree of "ownership". We should show more gratitude to Gavin for allowing us to be here at all. No matter how many beer cans litter his yard, he lets us come back here every day. Our being here is a priviledge, not a right. It isn't our words that make us a community here, but how we treat one another and get along. That is where the community aspect comes into it. Our words do not make a community. We can ask our host to order pizza, get more pop or beer etc.. but we can't expect him to cater to our every demand and pay for everything. He is an owner, not a slave. We don't have the right to make demands on him for anything. Not unless we put our money where are mouths and words are... our words don't pay for his bills. His bills pay for our words, big difference.

Why would anyone be bothered of why their number of posts changed? That is hardly the measure of one's self. That seems a bit on the obsessive/compulsive side of the equation.

I, for one, appreciate the moderation that has been placed here. Tom was very nice but sometimes this place just got totally out of control. I've seen nothing from the moderation that bothers me, in fact, it seems to me that they are level-headed in their approach. It all seems cool to me. And I also don't understand all the uptightness about "being informed about decisions". There are way too many complicated personal rules about life floating around here.

Don't worry, be happy! :yippee:

Don't worry, be happy! :yippee:

:thumb:

Thanks for the support guys.

It has been decided that the posts will be returned to the forum. It's going to take a little bit to bring them all back so please be patient.

One thing I will mention is that there will be times when moderation activities will be done without notifying anyone. So while I can understand people being curious or wanting to know what's happening, sometimes it is just not appropriate to try and let everyone know. If you have posted something you find valuable and to be saved I would suggest making copies of it immediately so there is no chance that it could be lost.

Thanks

Tim

Personally?
I wouldn't want the job. Moderating is SUCH a pain.
I prefer getting my entertainment at the dentist:yikes:

Jesus, does it matter?

Really?

"I'm charlie big potatoes, and I have considerably more posts than you".......

Jesus, does it matter?

Really?

"I'm charlie big potatoes, and I have considerably more posts than you".......

You may have more than me:mad:
But I am one closer now :yippee:

I just got about 100 posts in a minute.

As Carl Hooper would say:

"Bizzzzzzare"

Hey! You missed one of mine - I want it back! NOW!!!!

This wasn't just about post counts. That was an indicator that something was happening. something several of y'all commented on elsewhere.

sometimes a cigar is more than just a cigar.

Hey! You missed one of mine - I want it back! NOW!!!!

:D You're a funny man Spider!

AAAaaaaaah!!!!!

Post counts are dropping again

Whats up with that Tim?
Who's posts are being deleted now?

Post counts are dropping again

Whats up with that Tim?
Who's posts are being deleted now?

How did you happen to notice this? I'm just curious, as post counts is something I never even look at. I have no idea how many posts I have. Though I did look awhile ago & I think it's around 500.....we'll see. Yeah, but it's interesting that it's happening again; too bad.
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Edit - I guess I was off quite a bit - I'm at 1,319 posts!! I like that number...it's a bit odd :D

How did you happen to notice this? I'm just curious, as post counts is something I never even look at. I have no idea how many posts I have. Though I did look awhile ago & I think it's around 500.....we'll see. Yeah, but it's interesting that it's happening again; too bad.
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Edit - I guess I was off quite a bit - I'm at 1,319 posts!! I like that number...it's a bit odd :D
I noticed because I saw I was in the top 10 and Manta is now under 4000 posts AGAIN. That is Crap because that means some of his wise and fishy wizardom is now lost to the Moderators black hole.

At the risk of sounding like a suck up,

I'm having trouble understanding how bashing people, including moderators, or should I say especially moderators, is going to produce the kind of atmosphere we want. When we respond to issues with hostility and anger, it's just perpetuating the problems we say we're addressing.

Having had forums of my own, it's hard to keep a site on track for its mood and atmosphere. There are a lot of decisions to make and a lot time spent with mind numbing details. A lot of time spent settling disputes, which start to make the whole world seem hostile and junvenille. These tasks and our ability to keep throwing them at the moderators makes them wonder why they are doing it. Why work in this constant sea of negativity?

If you're attached to your threads and posts, then save them. 'Save Page As'.

Perhaps it helps to come to terms with the fact that the electronic medium is, by its nature, whispy and impermanent. One good solar flare and it's all gone. Don't get too attached to it. ;)

And why not notice how your own actions contribute or detract from the general atmosphere and the need for banning and clean ups. What are you attracting with any posts that are hostile or angry or bitter? What kinds of people like to be at a site like that? What people are you attracting and what people are you shoving away?

Each post that you write that is about positively moving people forward is going to make the moderators' clean ups less and less necessary.

Personally?
I wouldn't want the job. Moderating is SUCH a pain.
I prefer getting my entertainment at the dentist:yikes:


:biglaugh:

Manta is now under 4000 posts AGAIN.

Well that'll teach him! Maybe he'll get his rear end back here and get his posts back to 4000.:biglaugh:

Well that'll teach him! Maybe he'll get his rear end back here and get his posts back to 4000.:biglaugh:and that would mean exactly what? Would I get a prize the second time through? a holiday cruise to Pookipsie?


lemme know when Joanne hits 11,000 ..... mebe sometime around 1216?

Everyone, I deleted two threads that contained a lot of my personal information. As I am no longer comfortable having people on here know that much about me and my life, I removed them. I would have just edited my posts but I was quoted so often that it was not practical.

Are you scared I hunt you down for the £10 you owe me ? :biglaugh:

and that would mean exactly what? Would I get a prize the second time through? a holiday cruise to Pookipsie?


lemme know when Joanne hits 11,000 ..... mebe sometime around 1216?

Hi Manta :wave:

I think it'll be a little longer than 1216 before I reach 11,000 but maybe Kimberly will though :D

and that would mean exactly what? Would I get a prize the second time through? a holiday cruise to Pookipsie?


lemme know when Joanne hits 11,000 ..... mebe sometime around 1216?

Ooooohh, talk of the devil............the lurking devil:lildevil:

Well I for one miss your posts................oh well.........

At the risk of sounding like a suck up,

I'm having trouble understanding how bashing people, including moderators, or should I say especially moderators, is going to produce the kind of atmosphere we want. When we respond to issues with hostility and anger, it's just perpetuating the problems we say we're addressing.

Having had forums of my own, it's hard to keep a site on track for its mood and atmosphere. There are a lot of decisions to make and a lot time spent with mind numbing details. A lot of time spent settling disputes, which start to make the whole world seem hostile and junvenille. These tasks and our ability to keep throwing them at the moderators makes them wonder why they are doing it. Why work in this constant sea of negativity?

If you're attached to your threads and posts, then save them. 'Save Page As'.

Perhaps it helps to come to terms with the fact that the electronic medium is, by its nature, whispy and impermanent. One good solar flare and it's all gone. Don't get too attached to it. ;)

And why not notice how your own actions contribute or detract from the general atmosphere and the need for banning and clean ups. What are you attracting with any posts that are hostile or angry or bitter? What kinds of people like to be at a site like that? What people are you attracting and what people are you shoving away?

Each post that you write that is about positively moving people forward is going to make the moderators' clean ups less and less necessary.


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Corrine, that is bang on girl... :thumb:

Everyone, I deleted two threads that contained a lot of my personal information. As I am no longer comfortable having people on here know that much about me and my life, I removed them. I would have just edited my posts but I was quoted so often that it was not practical.

Wand',

While I understand why you did what you did and don't have a problem with that per se, it does appear that this isn't an option open to the rest of us. Personally I think it would be nice to have a delete function for our own posts/threads. I know some people don't like that, but you've basically done that here for yourself just by being Mod.

Paul

Wand',

While I understand why you did what you did and don't have a problem with that per se, it does appear that this isn't an option open to the rest of us. Personally I think it would be nice to have a delete function for our own posts/threads. I know some people don't like that, but you've basically done that here for yourself just by being Mod.

Paul
I would definitely vote against that one (if anyone was asking me). I remember at the other place we used to be able to delete our own threads, people would go in and delete a thread with tons of responses if they got over-emotional and didn't like what was said in the posts (aka the truth hurts). If Wand deleted a thread or 2, I really don't feel its that big of a deal, he's 1 who can do it. A privillege (at least) with that awesome job of being a mod. I just wouldn't want to see all the dogs let loose. Ah-ah!

I would definitely vote against that one (if anyone was asking me). I remember at the other place we used to be able to delete our own threads, people would go in and delete a thread with tons of responses if they got over-emotional and didn't like what was said in the posts (aka the truth hurts). If Wand deleted a thread or 2, I really don't feel its that big of a deal, he's 1 who can do it. A privillege (at least) with that awesome job of being a mod. I just wouldn't want to see all the dogs let loose. Ah-ah!

I don't see a big deal as to why people get so attached to their posts. I used to think like that too - like you write a lot of responses that maybe can help others out etc etc, and then the person would go and delete them. But in the real world of chit chat, we'd say our piece and move on. It's up to the person to use it or not. If they seek some advice, learn from it or choose to ignore it (whether its good or bad) that's down to them. I don't see a downside to deleting the thread if that's what they want.

Sometimes I wish the forums would auto-delete all the posts that are like 3 or 6 months or older. Sure, I go back to my own threads or others at times and pull out useful stuff, but then I could save them as I go along too. What I find disingeous in a community about change (AR, here, wherever) is that you can say something and someone else will go to the trouble of pulling up something you said 2-3 years before and quote you to more or less challenge why you are now saying what you are saying - well hello - people change. What advice is appropriate for one person based on my experience now, may not be the same that I give 3 months down the line because I will have grown (I hope) too.

Maybe you didn't mean it this way Midas, but what's with the truth hurts statement. What's it to you if it does hurt for someone else and they can't handle it? Some folks here (I know of one especially) likes to throw out crap and insults and hide behind truth hurts - easy to throw out at someone else, less nice to have to take it. Are we meant to wear hurtful truths like a badge of honor? Is there meant to be some pride in having a hurtful truth make us realize something in public? Is the reason for not deleting the thread that we can't deny the past that we had, even if we absorb the hurtful truth and have moved on? As long as the person asking the question has learned from it (or not) what does it matter to others?

Paul

Wand',

While I understand why you did what you did and don't have a problem with that per se, it does appear that this isn't an option open to the rest of us. Personally I think it would be nice to have a delete function for our own posts/threads. I know some people don't like that, but you've basically done that here for yourself just by being Mod.

Paul

You are able to edit your own threads. There was a time that someone quoted what I said and I PM'd her and asked her to edit and delete my quote, she had no problemo with it. Also, there once was a thread that I wanted deleted, the entire thread was negative and I asked Tom what he thought and poof, it was gone. :yup:

Everyone, I deleted two threads that contained a lot of my personal information. As I am no longer comfortable having people on here know that much about me and my life, I removed them.
Now why did you go and do that Wanderer! :D I was planning on stalking you real soon. Ah well. :lildevil:

Kimberly

I just want to say I think my posts have INCREASED. :lildevil: There is no way I could have 443 already! :eek: :D

Kimberly

[QUOTE]I don't see a big deal as to why people get so attached to their posts. I used to think like that too - HI Paul, I'm with you on this one. Personally I can't even tell what my post count is at any one given time, never even thought that way, EVER. However, there are people who DO care about their post counts (I see people here start threads to celebrate 100 posts etc), and if that is something that matters to them, hey, cool. I feel the same way about weddings, why people make a fuss about them, I don't know. But I respect it.


Sometimes I wish the forums would auto-delete all the posts that are like 3 or 6 months or older.
Personally I wish they could go into archives, I think this forum has too many good threads to autodelete. I think they are so valuable not only to newbies but also to Gavin's visitors who may just be checking things out as a once in a while thing.

Maybe you didn't mean it this way Midas, but what's with the truth hurts statement. I didn't mean it what way? I remember even when we first migrated here, Tom wrote a post asking people to take their time before they post threads cuz he's getting too many requests for deletion. Certain people would start threads then they didn't like what they heard, and btw, these were the same people who dole out "the hurtful truth" mercilessly(hey, I didn't know "the truth hurts" expression could hurt you Paul -- :D , j/k)

Bottom line is, Mods will delete threads if people ask for it, so what's the big deal?

You are able to edit your own threads. There was a time that someone quoted what I said and I PM'd her and asked her to edit and delete my quote, she had no problemo with it. Also, there once was a thread that I wanted deleted, the entire thread was negative and I asked Tom what he thought and poof, it was gone. :yup:

:wss:

...in the real world of chit chat, we'd say our piece and move on. It's up to the person to use it or not. If they seek some advice, learn from it or choose to ignore it (whether its good or bad) that's down to them.


When you write a good post, it is coming from your head, so why can't you say it again at any time? I agree with Paul's logic...you say something then we move on. If you want to say it again, say it again....no need to point someone to a post you said three months ago. That doesn't make it very personal anyway, knowing that some advice you gave someone else can be exactly the same directed at me...

just curious. It's interesting no one saw or commented on it until today.

Manta, one more post and your at 3999 again.
Karma is on your side.
How many times can you pull that trick? :thumb:

and that would mean exactly what? Would I get a prize the second time through? a holiday cruise to Pookipsie?




I would give you a prize.

[QUOTE=Paul@Pittsburgh;75213]- HI Paul, I'm with you on this one. Personally I can't even tell what my post count is at any one given time, never even thought that way, EVER. However, there are people who DO care about their post counts (I see people here start threads to celebrate 100 posts etc), and if that is something that matters to them, hey, cool. I feel the same way about weddings, why people make a fuss about them, I don't know. But I respect it.




You make a good point here Midas. I help celebrate other people's post count marks, as it shows GROWTH for this site. I have been here since the start up with Tom, the first owner in 2004. It was pretty slow here in those days. If someone had a 100 posts, that was a lot! Pretty soon the TR immigrants came in here and the post counts went through the roof! So it isn't just for the poster, with xxx amount of posts, but shows the growth of the site in my eyes. ;)

Once in a while you will see me post stats, of how many current and active posters we have here, threads, posts, etc. I like stats. I like to keep track of them.... as once again it can show the growth or decline of a site. I find it interesting, although most people find that kind of info boring. I'm weird, what can I say? :D

You make a good point here Midas. I help celebrate other people's post count marks, as it shows GROWTH for this site. I have been here since the start up with Tom, the first owner in 2004. It was pretty slow here in those days. If someone had a 100 posts, that was a lot! Pretty soon the TR immigrants came in here and the post counts went through the roof! So it isn't just for the poster, with xxx amount of posts, but shows the growth of the site in my eyes. ;)

Once in a while you will see me post stats, of how many current and active posters we have here, threads, posts, etc. I like stats. I like to keep track of them.... as once again it can show the growth or decline of a site. I find it interesting, although most people find that kind of info boring. I'm weird, what can I say? :D

Thats right, you've been slacking on those stats :nono:

Thats right, you've been slacking on those stats :nono:

I've been busy! But I have been keeping an eye on them though! :lildevil: