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–noun, plural -ties. 1. the quality or fact of being spiritual. 2. incorporeal or immaterial nature. 3. predominantly spiritual character as shown in thought, life, etc.; spiritual tendency or tone. 4. Often, spiritualities. property or revenue of the church or of an ecclesiastic in his or her official capacity.

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–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or consisting of spirit; incorporeal. 2. of or pertaining to the spirit or soul, as distinguished from the physical nature: a spiritual approach to life. 3. closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc.: the professor's spiritual heir in linguistics. 4. of or pertaining to spirits or to spiritualists; supernatural or spiritualistic. 5. characterized by or suggesting predominance of the spirit; ethereal or delicately refined: She is more of a spiritual type than her rowdy brother. 6. of or pertaining to the spirit as the seat of the moral or religious nature. 7. of or pertaining to sacred things or matters; religious; devotional; sacred. 8. of or belonging to the church; ecclesiastical: lords spiritual and temporal. 9. of or relating to the mind or intellect. –noun 10. a spiritual or religious song: authentic folk spirituals. 11. spirituals, affairs of the church. 12. a spiritual thing or matter.

So what's the point? I see people say they are spiritual, don't really understand what they mean though. The definitions really don't help much either considering most of them relate to the immaterial.

So when someone says they are spiritual what do they mean? In my experience it means that they generally have no consistent belief structure and go down the road and changer their minds. So the truths of today are the lies of tomorrow. I am curious as to your thoughts.

"Spirituality" is one of those slippery words that means whatever the person saying it means they mean.

So what's the point? I see people say they are spiritual, don't really understand what they mean though. The definitions really don't help much either considering most of them relate to the immaterial.


I used to joke that my spirituality was that I didn't have any. When people say they are spiritual, it probably means that they consider themselves part of some great big universe in the non-physical realm, where things occur that are unbounded by known physical laws. Being a scientific sort of person, I don't believe in that sort of thing, and reject it.

I think it means that you have beliefs but they are your own.

I was considering using that term as I no longer fit in the "Catholic or Christian" way of believing.

Perhaps you think "the truth of today are the lies of tomorrow" because many people call themselves spiritual as an indication that they are seeking truth. My personal experience, as one who calls himself spiritual, is that the one truth that does not ever change is the awareness that there is an intelligence greater than my own.

How much I can access that intelligence, how it guides me or not, what use it is to me ... that has changed a little over the years.

Now, I have no doubt. But I used to.

Spiritual people are not prepared to accept at face value what some orthodoxy says. We want to find truth for ourselves. That is why you see change - spirituality is a personal journey.

Thanks for posing a good question.

Trevor.

Good discussion.

The 'point' of spirituality (for me) is that the non-physical component of living things is a connector between us all. It sounds strange to make this comparison, but my cat taught me something about what it means to have a soul and life within your body. Six years ago, she gave birth to a litter of kittens. I watched them emerge from their mother's womb one by one, each one behaving different from the others. I watched them squirm around, meow, and drink milk from their mother, and of course I watched them sleep a lot. I saw their little bodies moving with each breath. I learned something about each of their little personalities. After a week, I woke up one morning to find one of the kittens had died. I picked her up and held her in the palm of my hand. She was cold and stiff. So you ask yourself, what is it other than the beating heart and breathing lungs that constitutes the state of being 'alive'? I think that it is the spirit or soul.

I believe that soul (spiritual) energy is eternal and it connects us to each other. But that's just my belief...to each his/her own.

You say that you have a scientific mind and disbelieve the spiritual and yet Einstein wrote extensively on spiritual matters. Spirituality and science are just different ways of trying to answer the question of "What is the meaning of Life?"
In fact, with the discoveries of quantum physics and string theory, it seems that ancient mysticism and modern science are on an increasingly convergent path.

You say that you have a scientific mind and disbelieve the spiritual and yet Einstein wrote extensively on spiritual matters. Spirituality and science are just different ways of trying to answer the question of "What is the meaning of Life?"
In fact, with the discoveries of quantum physics and string theory, it seems that ancient mysticism and modern science are on an increasingly convergent path.

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The point of spirituality is to ensure your life is not pointless. :yup:

i prefer achievement for that measure, or perhaps even impact.

i prefer achievement for that measure, or perhaps even impact.

impact... How do YOU measure that?

I sorta know how I do - Your answer would be interesting to me

Numbers of people influenced plus number of people who: love, hate, depise, respect, admire, etc. Plus the compounded effect of training others. and the effects of eliminating other peoples impact that is contrary to my purpose. Plus amount and quality of my contribution to the planet that is expected to have ramifications going forward.

Numbers of people influenced plus number of people who: love, hate, depise, respect, admire, etc. Plus the compounded effect of training others. and the effects of eliminating other peoples impact that is contrary to my purpose. Plus amount and quality of my contribution to the planet that is expected to have ramifications going forward.

You seem to have a strong understanding of your connection to other people and to the planet; quite a spiritual view I'd say. :tiphat:

We need to prepare ourselves now, before we die. Otherwise, it might be too late. A moral person would not go out into the world and do whatever he/she wants.

Numbers of people influenced plus number of people who: love, hate, depise, respect, admire, etc. Plus the compounded effect of training others. and the effects of eliminating other peoples impact that is contrary to my purpose. Plus amount and quality of my contribution to the planet that is expected to have ramifications going forward. In the 30 months since written, what is the quantitative effect of your impact?

In the 30 months since written, what is the quantitative effect of your impact? For one, it drove up silver prices.

In the 30 months since written, what is the quantitative effect of your impact?

5.9 on the Richter Scale?

The uSA federal debt has increased approximately $3,900,000,000,000.....

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

The uSA federal debt has increased approximately $3,900,000,000,000.....

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np Impressive.
Glad he doesn't live IN Washington.

Impressive.
Glad he doesn't live IN Washington.

:biglaugh:

We need to prepare ourselves now, before we die. Otherwise, it might be too late. A moral person would not go out into the world and do whatever he/she wants.


Um.... wouldn't a moral person want to do moral things? So if he wouldn't go out and do what he wants? Are you implying that he would go out and do immoral things?

And yes, I agree that after dying it is too late.

In the 30 months since written, what is the quantitative effect of your impact?

Although the point of the thread wasn't my impact on the world, I have had a massive impact. My impact at work lead to booking over 5 million dollars in revenue in the last 12 months.

I have removed that last 2 people from my personal life that are wastes of oxygen while at the same time increasing my standing with all those who I deal with on a personal level.

I am also a good way through a project that will have an ongoing impact on the martial arts world, depending on how well I do at finishing it and getting it out there the impact could be huge.

As I prefer to stay out of the limelight, it makes it hard to say how much my efforts will be attributed to me but that doesn't much matter to me.

Bertha Dudde received about 9000 explanations from our Lord .
This is only one of them.....


The 'working of the spirit' in the human being....
BD No. 7798 of 01/15/1961 taken from book 82


The most profound mysteries can be penetrated by you if you allow the working of My spirit within you.... You will not understand this for as long as you still think in an earthly-material way, for as long as your mind is only occupied with the world and you do not try to find contact with the spiritual kingdom.... You will not understand the 'working of My spirit' as long as you have not made contact with Me, your God and Father, because then you will not be living in love as yet, which is the prerequisite for a bond with Me and thus also for the dormant spiritual spark with the eternal Father-Spirit.... Without love you cannot muster the understanding for the working of My spirit and neither will you ever strive for it.... However, once you kindle love in yourselves, the spirit in you will come alive.... You thereby establish the bond with the Father-Spirit of eternity, Who is love Itself, and He will influence you through the spiritual spark in you.... By allowing the 'working of My spirit' in you, you will truly attain great spiritual knowledge, knowledge will be made accessible to you which people cannot gain in any other way, for you may take a glimpse into spiritual spheres where secrets will be revealed to you which, however, can only ever be imparted to you by the spirit within you. However, prior to that you will always have to prepare yourselves into a receiving vessel for the divine spirit, which can only be accomplished through love. Then My spirit will be able to flow into you and the results will be truly glorious, they will be and remain a person's gain for all eternity. And so truth, too, can and will be conveyed to you humans in this way, hence it is possible for you to be instructed by 'God Himself' in all truthfulness if you allow My spirit to express itself, for this is entirely up to your own free will, no-one will be forced into it.

But if you allow it, by voluntarily shaping yourselves through a life of love into a receiving vessel for My spirit, then you will soon become enlightened, you will soon experience brightest realisation, and knowledge will be revealed to you which will plainly reveal all spiritual correlations to you.... Then the darkness of night will truly have been penetrated and the spiritual sun will shine into your heart, you will never walk in darkness again for you will have received a true light from Me which you may radiate into the night again. Therefore, don't be surprised where a person's wisdom comes from while another one does not possess it as yet.... Don't question why it is still so dark in people's hearts, for you now know the answer: You must seek the light yourselves, you must ignite the spark in yourselves and then there will be light because you desire light.... You humans should believe that I Am in contact with you, that I do not want you to live in eternal darkness. Yet you yourselves should want to escape the darkness too and take measures to kindle a light in you.... you should be aware of the fact that I placed a tiny spark in you but that it depends on your free will whether you want to fan this spark into a flame.... Then this flame will surge towards Me and unite itself with the fire of the Eternal Love.... with the result that My spirit will pour itself into such a prepared vessel and dispel the darkness in which the soul lingered until it accepted Me, until its love urged it towards Me and the darkness was subsequently penetrated.... Then I will be able to work in the human being, and where I Am at work through My spirit there is light, realisation and bliss....

Amen

are souls should be a vessel?

I shall put another explanation down here on the board to make things more clear Sarah...so here is our maker speaking again..


The soul's union with its spirit....
BD No. 8327 of 11/12/1962 taken from book 88


I reveal Myself to you humans in the most simple and understandable way, for My Words are not solely intended for the intellectual person but for all who desire the truth, even if they do not possess a keen intellect. However, I speak to them in a way that they can understand and therefore I avail Myself of a plainly spoken person, who can also be understood by everyone when he speaks to them from person to person, because then I will work through My spirit if he takes part in spiritual conversations.... When My Word is therefore conveyed to Earth it also happens in a way that the contents of My revelations are clear and understandable. And thus every person will be able to understand that the process of the spirits apostasy consisted of the fact that they rejected My illumination of love, My 'spirit of love'.... and that the return to Me also consists of the fact that they will voluntarily accept My illumination of love again.... that they thus must unite themselves with My spirit once more. The union with My spirit takes place when the divine spark of love, which is placed into every person as My share, gets kindled into a bright flame which incessantly strives towards Me, the Primal Fire.... Then the fallen original spirit will have become its fundamental element again, and this consciously.... For even after its apostasy from Me it remained My strength because My emanated strength of love cannot cease to exist.... Hence the return to Me can only be achieved consciously and this requires free will, which is returned again to the previously constrained being as a human who must subsequently use it correctly.... The original being certainly takes the path of return in an unconscious state.... dissolved in countless tiny particles.... while it is bound within the creations of earth. This return is an act of grace on My part, because I want to help the extremely deeply fallen being to reach the point again when it can receive its free will back. But then the unity of the spiritual spark with the eternal Father-Spirit must take place if the final return is to be accomplished.

The original spirit, which travels the earthly path as a human soul, will remain distant from Me for as long as the human being is without love, for I have also given him a spark of love which he must first ignite before a union with the Father-Spirit can be accomplished, for only love can achieve this union, and love must voluntarily be practised by a person, which also makes the illumination of My strength of love possible and the being becomes again what it was in the beginning.... The soul is a fallen original spirit.... Consequently, when it is said that the soul unites with its spirit, then the latter should always be understood as the spirit of love from Me, which the original spirit once rejected and thereby closed itself to all illumination of love.... As a human being the soul.... the once fallen original spirit.... carries a tiny spark of divine spirit within itself, but it must voluntarily acknowledge it, which it consciously does when it opens itself to My illumination of love and thereby becomes lovingly active itself.... Thus it has the spirit within itself and it is its earthly task to let itself be influenced by this spirit, which will always result in the fact that the person will practise love and through love unite with Me, since I Am the Eternal love Itself. Hence the soul unites itself again with its spirit.... The original spirit no longer reacts negatively towards Me and My illumination of love, instead, it consciously strives towards Me, it wants to be illuminated by Me and every distance between us is abolished.... It is the same divine original being again which originated from Me and after its voluntary apostasy also voluntarily returned to Me again, except that it has become My 'child', which I was unable to create because it required the created beings free will to become supremely perfect. Thus it deified itself voluntarily and can now create and work with Me in supreme beatitude and free will which, however, is the same as Mine, because a perfect being cannot want and think differently than I, as I Am the most perfect spirit in infinity....

Amen

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thanks again henk.

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