http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHF6PFUukw

I got this from Facebook and had to share it.

Neat Video.. Thanks Joanne

interesting. god does indeed exist.

HA! there you have it, the seed of relativity

Evil, love, cold, hot, light and dark are all relative measurements.

Lighter than what
Colder than what
hotter than what
Darker than what
More evil than what.

Interesting spin

To answer the question, you first have to define.
Define God, then I will answer

GOD is

GOD is
:hmm:

Ya see, I won't define myself as this.

Define God, then I will answer

God is a beautiful brunette woman who definitely has mood swings ;)

Oh and I found out that the young man in the video is not Albert Einstein but that's irrelevant.

Interesting....;)

Cute kid! :D

Kimberly

Well, as soon as you define god, you have, by definition, also said what god is not - because a definition cannot exist without boundaries. To some people, this makes god 'less' than something larger, which can't be, therefore, you can't define god.

Then there's the babelfish- so improbable a being that it proves that god exists. "But," says a clever one, "Proof that God exists denies faith, and without faith God is nothing..."

"Oh. I hadn't thought of that," said God. And he promptly disappeared in a puff of logic.



(Shamelessly paraphrased from Douglas Adams, who, at this point, may be the only person in this discussion who can actually answer this question with any degree of certainty.)

Does God exist?

Which god? At what time?

I can guarantee that you believe that 99.99% of gods people have believed in do not exist. So really, in asking if God exists, you're asking if a particular concept of god exists.

Throughout time, each concept of god (that you now don't believe in) had people who believed earnestly in their existence.

Does God exist?

Which god? At what time?

I can guarantee that you believe that 99.99% of gods people have believed in do not exist. So really, in asking if God exists, you're asking if a particular concept of god exists.

Throughout time, each concept of god (that you now don't believe in) had people who believed earnestly in their existence.
:thumb:

You guys are all so smart :thumb:

there is but one god

I guarantee you that we will solve this question here on this board.

:biglaugh: :thumb:

In general, I find that intellectual discussions about religion and philosophy are almost a waste of time. They resolve nothing. They convince no one, (except, perhaps, ourselves, as we congratulate ourselves about our cleverness), and they generally completely bypass the essence of matters being discussed. :TrainWreck:

In the end, we have only our own experiences. These speak the loudest to us and are the convincement to believe what we believe.

However, this is a religion forum and, since the topic is out there for discussion, who knows what suprises lie in store for us, burried treasures among the posts. And it can sharpen our wits. :boxer::bonk:

there is but one god
OK, Sure, but which one?
I bet yours is different than mine and mine is right so if there is only one, that means.....

:rofl:
:DC:
:Big Dork:
:popcorn:

I think that means - tag, you're it, Scooter! :lildevil:

The original question; "Does God Exist".
I say yes, but a better question might be what is God?

Good point. In any discussion, define your terms first.

I guarantee you that we will solve this question here on this board.(Dav 10:18) Thou shalt not haveth sarcasm on thine lips; for it bringeth confusion to the simple.

Hi All,

My main question is - If God did create the world, why wasn't everything perfect from the beginning. Why would he create something full of scum, violence, disease, child molestation, murder, etc. What's the reason? Why create something so humans could go through thousands of years of this just to have someone return to say "Ok it's all over! Follow me up to the sky!" I just don't get it, and I'm angry with myself for believing in Christianity for so long. I used to believe in Santa Claus deeply until I was brought to the light by reality.

Thanks for having me here, and I hope to learn a lot through reasonable discussion.

Thanks in advance.

Your post assumes that the things we don't like, like pestulance and disease and suffering etc, are imperfections. That kind of thinking is imposing our own values on the universe and (if God exists) on God.

It's saying, "I don't like these things, so it was a stupid move to create them, so they're imperfections, and since God can't be imperfect, then God can't exist... because I don't like these things."

You're also assuming that "God" has to be perfect.

Have we defined "God" for this thread yet? Did we decide if part of that definition is that God is perfect? And, if so, what does perfect mean?

Your post assumes that the things we don't like, like pestulance and disease and suffering etc, are imperfections. That kind of thinking is imposing our own values on the universe and (if God exists) on God.

It's saying, "I don't like these things, so it was a stupid move to create them, so they're imperfections, and since God can't be imperfect, then God can't exist... because I don't like these things."

You're also assuming that "God" has to be perfect.

Have we defined "God" for this thread yet? Did we decide if part of that definition is that God is perfect? And, if so, what does perfect mean?

I totally agree. I was going to respond to this post, but I think you have done a better job at it than I could :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHF6PFUukw

I got this from Facebook and had to share it.


and this video proves what exactly?


that apples are not oranges!

Ahhh! pure genius.

Your post assumes that the things we don't like, like pestulance and disease and suffering etc, are imperfections. That kind of thinking is imposing our own values on the universe and (if God exists) on God.

It's saying, "I don't like these things, so it was a stupid move to create them, so they're imperfections, and since God can't be imperfect, then God can't exist... because I don't like these things."

You're also assuming that "God" has to be perfect.

Have we defined "God" for this thread yet? Did we decide if part of that definition is that God is perfect? And, if so, what does perfect mean?Corinne, it's not nice to create questions without answering questions first. If you keep acting up like this were going to have to banish you to a place where The Onion is actually real news. You will be punished. :D

So here's a question for you...does existence exist? What does the concept of existence mean? I am typing words onto a keyboard, and they are appearing on a screen that you all can read from your various locations. But where are the words?

God does exist for me, and I'm OK with not knowing why or how or when or where. Well, the where makes sense because "everywhere I am" is where God exists for me. :)

I just read my Abraham-Hicks quote for today, which ended with "desire is what puts the eternalness in eternity." So what puts the existenceness in existence? Maybe it's the same thing. We want it, so it is.

Corinne, it's not nice to create questions without answering questions first. If you keep acting up like this were going to have to banish you to a place where The Onion is actually real news. You will be punished. :D
I just saw this! :biglaugh:

Look at my signature quote.
What difference does it make, look at your life, look at the creation, look at our wonderful universe, and thank whatever gods may be for it.

Love to you all,

Hagit Love

And so here we all are.

And so here we all are.Yep, still waiting for Miss Wonderful. :)

Never, fear. The things you're looking for are always in the last place you look. :)

SophiaGrace: God does not exist.

Sanal: That coming from you O_O sure freaks me out

SophiaGrace: My philosophy textbook last semester destroyed my faith

Sanal: lol no comments

SophiaGrace: *quirks an eyebrow* o_O

Sanal: LOL :P

Badjedidude: Yeah, philosophy is too dangerous a subject. It should be banned because it questions religion. *rolls eyes*

Ovid: Yay! Another blow to the enemies of rational thought

SophiaGrace: Hey I guess i'm not going to sit here and fight against an argument that makes sense :/

it kind of makes me sad though in a way...

because I wanted God to be real and make me magically happier....

I guess i'll still be looking into the nature of God though because my minor in college is Religion. So it'll still be interesting but I know it no longer makes sense to believe that He exists..

Coverage: If you faith was based on the idea that believing in God would make you a happier person, then it was doomed to fail from the start.

Are you a happier person now with your new beliefs?

SophiaGrace: Well I think I thought I'd be happier knowing that everything happened for a reason (under God's directives) and wasnt just this big huge cosmic mathematical happening. (our existence)

Now I believe that the Universe just IS and doesnt need it's existence or it's complex structure explained with the concept of God.

Am I happier knowing this? no. I wanted God to be real to be able to tell myself "everything happens for a reason even if I dont understand it." and "God wouldnt give me this unless he knew I could handle it."

Made me feel like my life was worth more. Now its like...

"ok there's this thing called life....and on either end of this thing called life is blackness and nonexistence. Suddenly life seems stupid and nonsensical. Is this a practical joke?"

Basically what I think happy atheists do is keep themselves so busy in the routines of life that they dont have to think about the aformentioned. I think atheists avoid the truth too but in a different way...

Badjedidude: That's not necessarily true. The absence of a God does not automatically mean the absence of an afterlife. It's possible that humans have spirits that continue on after death...that's not religious at all, it's SCIENTIFIC. Scientists will tell you that we only understand about 5% (or less) of the matter in this universe...the other 95% is completely a mystery, and is commonly referred to as "Dark Matter." It's entirely possible that a human soul is a spark of Dark Matter energy that continues on long after the physical body quits. *shrug*

Are ghosts just figments of people's imaginations? Or is it possible that ghosts are actually TRULY dead people...leftover energy from long-dead bodies, for some reason still existing on the earth instead of passing on? Lol Sounds silly, but think of it in a scientific context and it can start to make sense.

So my point is this: Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean that there isn't hope. Hey, anyway, in about 100 years (or less), we'll probably have life-lengthening procedures that allow us to live for centuries! So just live as long as you can...and I think you'll be alright either way.

SophiaGrace: What is the definition of Death?

The end of life.

Its kind of like asking what happens after a movie ends? Well...nothing...

It just ends
Badjedidude: Well, you gotta define what Life is also. Does Life end when the body ceases functioning? Or could it be that our consciousness moves on or alters to another mode of existence? Does that mean we haven't died or that we are still alive?

SophiaGrace: In my Human Biology class my teacher said the cell is the smallest lifeform.

I asked her what the requirements were to consider something alive...

and she said reproducing....that its made of cells....

The textbook said our bodies are made up of four main molecules and their subunits; Lipids, carbohydrates, Nucleotides and Protein (and possibly another sort of molecule that is only found in plants....Chloroplast)

But I guess we're getting into what the PHYSICAL definition is

By life i think you mean the Mind aka the concept of the soul...

the lecturer brought up an interesting analogy..."what if our bodies were like houses? You could destroy my house but I (the soul, the inhabitant) would still be alive."

But what if when you destroy the union of the pair (body & mind) they both stop existing..?

and if if what we think of as the mind...which are well partially biologically made (because hey mental illnesses like schizophrenia can be passed down genetically)

I wonder what the nature of mental illnesses are....

Are they a part of our soul too? But arent they biologically explainable by looking at the brain?

If mental illnesses are biologically explainable then does that mean that our minds are totally confined to the very physical brain?

I'm sorry if I am rambling! I tend to do this when I try to argue a point...i go all over the place

Badjedidude: Haha you're not rambling...it's all very interesting stuff, but it takes a lot of thinking to get through it all! That's why philosophers never get anything done! They just sit around and think all day! Honestly, I don't think that I'll ever really know the answer to it all until I am dead...so I don't worry about it too much.

I think it's possible that the soul is "perfect" by itself and that it's held back by the "physical problems" of the biological brain...but then again, it could be that some people's souls are just naturally evil or diseased. I have no idea.

I just don't think that losing faith in God means that you're just going to cease to exist one day. Lots of things are possible; who knows?

SophiaGrace: How are lots of things possible??

Badjedidude: They just are! If the universe can congeal out of scattered stellar debris, then anything is possible! I think...

o_0 right? Right, Sophia? Right??? *pleads*

Nevermore: That's how I felt at first(that life was a joke because death existed without the probability of an afterlife), but as you think about it more the fact that there is no afterlife makes this life that much more special

Life isn't stupid and nonsensical as much as its the most amazing and exciting event that's ever occurred in the universe, and your part of it, not only that but also your one of the most complex forms of life, capable of self awareness, and that to me makes life the most interesting thing there is

Also,it was because of natural rules that the universe was created, so by that logic only things that follow these rules can happen and therefore not anything is possible.

Badjedidude: Any rule can be bent I say anything is possible.

SophiaGrace:
You mean the laws of physics?

Well they havent been proven wrong yet. So I'm going to go by them until proven otherwize

Badjedidude: Except that those LAWS can be bent, and some astrophysicists and mathematicians are beginning to question if they are laws at all...or more like guidelines. Look at how a black hole warps space and time. Is that a bending of known laws to accomodate unknown laws? I think so.

Cheaptrickfan: One of the big questions is the idea of disentangling the soul from the mind, if that is possible at all.

The mind is very firmly rooted in biology and chemistry: physical injury to the brain can have a traumatic effect on the mind (read The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat, by Oliver Sacks's to see some cases); psychoactive drugs are simply chemicals, but potent ones which can have a dramatic effect on the mind, how we perceive things, whether or not we hallucinate. They can provide a total shift in mood and emotion. Our moods are dependent on the volatile stew of chemicals in our brains.

Now we ask ourselves, is the mind all that there is? Is there yet another aspect to us that makes us human - namely a soul, an entity separate from the prison of neurons and neurotransmitters, and something that lives on after the last synapse has sputtered out.

It's an unknowable thing, I think, at least now, because scientists can only measure what they know with the equipment at their disposal.

There are two basic models for the universe, the directed and the non directed.

If the universe is non directed then we are all made up of atoms, those atoms have always existed and according to chaos theory are falling and interacting with eachother as they always would. On a macro level that means that everything is predestined. There is no such thing as choice because you are a slave to your atoms and the way the react. In simple terms if an atom must always react as it is supposed to then you too as an organism will be controlled by the same force.

Or in the directed universe, things are created and were set in motion. This means that life is not mere coincidence but instead a creation and in if imbued with free will, then choice is created and we are no longer slaves.

Now choosing which God is the one for you can be a bit trickier as that requires both thought and value judgements.

The great thing is a belief that the universe is created also is a belief that we have the ability to change our circumstances ourselves. There doesn't need to be magic, only the freedom to choose your actions.

SophiaGrace: My philosophy textbook last semester destroyed my faith


What did you read in one textbook that destroyed your faith? And why would you give more validity to one textbook than what you believed in before?

All knowledge is fluid, temporary and fleeting. Our understanding of the universe and of life is constantly in flux.

So you might as well believe in whatever it takes to make you happy and fulfilled - then give it your all.

Sophia, I believe that the Judeo-Christian concept of God is not in conflict with science and should not be in conflict with philosophy.

My experience is that the concept of God is however often in violent conflict with the closely held beliefs of scientists and philosophers and by extension, science teachers and philosophy professors.

What is important to understand is that these beliefs form the exact same kind of 'faith-based' belief system that these same people usually criticise of the religious or faithful.

Wand and Paul make some excellent points and ask good questions from a Judeo-Christian standpoint, and it is my belief that you cannot do better than Saf1 for the Muslim perspective, and Corinne will provide a good more secular/new age point of view.

For me, like Wand I consider myself an Objectivist in terms of philosophy. I am guessing from your signature that you know that the founder of this line of thought, Ayn Rand, was a devout athiest, she detested religion.

Well, I am also a Roman Catholic.

These are things which should not, in theory, be able to co-exist and yet I find they are not only compatible but synergistic. I am not in a position tonight to go into this deeply (I have some goals yet to achieve tonight), but please understand that there are intelligent, educated, rational people who choose to be faithful to religious belief, all around the world, who also understand philosophy, and luckily there are several who participate regularly here.

Good luck in your quest, and don't be too worried about your faith, it is almost cliche that young people find their beliefs challenged when in school, especially with the secular-humanist bent that is present in nearly all institutions of higher learning throughout the western world.

:whs:

Having eyes,


They could not see



Having ears,


They could not hear



Having a mind,


They could not remember



He asked them..
"Do you not remember, when I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of fragmants did you take up?"



They replied,


"Twelve"


Then He said, "And when I broke the seven for the four thousand, how many large baskets full of fragmants did you take up?"



They replied,


"Seven"



Then He asked them, "How is it you do not understand -- Who I Am?"


...Jordan James

"How is it you do not understand -- Who I Am?"


...Jordan James

Thats some serious red letter stuff there

I normally like a quiz, I have no idea what this is all about though.

I normally like a quiz, I have no idea what this is all about though.

amen to that

I normally like a quiz, I have no idea what this is all about though.
Come on, you don't get it
5000/5=1000
1000/12=83.3

then
4000/7=571.428
571.428/7 = 81.63

7*12 = 84

So we have 82, 83 and 84 if we round up

It is so clear, How is it you do not understand ?

42

This is my opinion.

I think that God is one infinite source that always has been and always will be. Universe is created again ("big bang") every time when the expansion is complete, so the evolution can start again.
This infinite source is in everything, in all of us. (This source is like a tree with branches) So we all are one infinite source, yet we have all our physical bodies that we inhabit.
We are here to create, with our mind. (once there was no cities, no tools. It has all been created by us) We are the tools which God can experience itself.

We have created relativity, so we can know the good, know the up from down, cold from warmth. If you would go into space, there would be no up and down, no relativity, so there really is no "good" or "bad", we have created this in our mind. Life is really a creation, and we don't have to worry about what happens when we "die". Our true nature cannot die (soul). We are eternal beings with nothing to lose. Death is just a new beginning, a rejoice with God. God doesn't judge us, because it would be same as judging itself. Why would God blame its own creation?

. Why would God blame its own creation?

Because God is a Holy God and His creation disobeyed Him and turned against Him. But God is also a loving God and so that isn't the end of the story. God provided a redeemer too, for those willing to admit that God is a sovereign God and that they are in need of redemption.

To answer your question……………. YES!!!! :)

Because God is a Holy God and His creation disobeyed Him and turned against Him.
I watched Clash of the Titans finally last weekend and this was the plot.
Not that it matters but I found that interesting

Just one of more than 2500 chapters.
Jesus is answering a narrow minded pharisee
There are 25 books ...each book has 100 chapters.

Book 15 chapter 97

97. THE BEING OF GOD AND
ETERNAL JOY FOR CREATION
[1] The Pharisee said: “Lord and Master, one cannot say
anything against it anymore; since the truth of everything said is
just too clear! However, if finally all the souls of this earth turn
into many gods, where will they find the space to move, rule
and govern with their freedom, independence and power? For
also a spirit must occupy some space and time, even if standing
above space and time concerning his divine properties.”
[2] I said: “O you pettiest and totally shrunk soul! Have you
never seen a starry sky? Don’t you know what all these visible
stars in their multitude numbers are?! See, if from every atom of
this earth arise twelve-thousand souls – what would result in
such a large number that presently even the best mathematician
could never imagine it – there nearly would not be enough souls
to add only one soul for every sun-world in the large creationspace,
not mentioning the still many countless earth-worlds, of
which not seldom many thousands orbit one single sun-world.
[3] Now imagine for yourself the endless greater spaciousness
of the heavens of God and the equally endless number of their
societies, which corresponds with the worlds in physical space,
where until now for example hundred-thousand times hundredthousand
already exist for this earth alone! How many classes of
people are still to be developed on this earth, only God knows,
because He has the infinite numbers as a clear unit before Him.
If however from the people of only this earth so many countless
societies can be formed in the beyond, just imagine how many
can be formed from all the other countless many worlds, of
which many physically are so large, that this earth in
comparison forms hardly a single grain of sand?
[4] If you weigh what is said, it will become clear to you, if a
still so endless large number of the true children of God, could
one day grow too large for the total everlasting and infinite
heaven! Do you think that for the everlasting great God, a by
your human mind limited number, could be forever sufficient?!
Only count the creatures of this earth, think of the everywhere
infinite fertility and reproductive ability of the plants and
animals, and you will infer from that, that with God everything
goes to infinity, and nobody can say that this is something
pointless!
[5] For if God did not place such into the plants and animals, in
the near future you would have no bread anymore and no meat
and no milk, no wine no fruit; but because a wheat grain placed
into the earth, bears hundred fold fruit, you always have bread
in abundance and also everything else. If thus God effectuates
everything to infinity according to His very highest wisdom and
endless power, can somebody then say, that the everlasting and
endless creations out of God are something pointless? Your own
daily bodily needs teach you already the purest opposite,
because without food you cannot exist! – Do you now
understand why God continuously creates endless quantities?”
[6] Said now quite surprised the Pharisee: “Yes, Lord and
Master, this I can see now and deeply admire Your wisdom. I
only have to express my opinion to the point, that I start to
dread the endless greatness and power of the Creator, and only
ask You if God will create forever; since according to Your
words, creating has no end. I ask You, to give me a light about
that, otherwise I will become quite dizzy.”
[7] I said: “This you should have already derived from this My
explanation. If God is everlasting, He certainly will have created
from eternity! Since what should He have done for an eternity
before the seemed creation of this world, the sun, the moon and
all the stars, for He was forever equally perfect?
[8] According to the spirit God is everlasting and infinite.
Everything originates and exists out of Him, everything is in
Him, and everything is the everlasting endless fullness of His
thoughts and ideas from the greatest to the smallest. He thinks
them in the clearest light of His self-consciousness and wants
that they become a reality, and then they are already that what
they primordially had to be. He then adds the germ spark of His
love to the thoughts and ideas which He so to speak placed
outside His personality, enlivens them, so that they can exist
like independent beings, and then guides them by His
continuous and always increasing inflow, to the highest possible
level of indestructible independence.
[9] These beings – because the divine love in them guides and
maintains them – are then by themselves full of creative powers,
reproduce themselves and can multiply to infinity, and everyone
going forth from them, like the children from their parents, are
not only resemble their producer, but are also equipped with the
same properties, which serves the aim, that the producer and the
product through the quite easily possible increase of divine love
in themselves, can finally cross over out of matter to the pure
spiritual fully God-resembling state but still forever remain
individual independent beings.
[10] As such the thoughts and ideas of God once placed outside
Himself, are returning completely to God and in God, however
not anymore as what they have been placed outside, but as fully
alive, clearly self-conscious to themselves, independent and
self-active beings, who then, like completely independent from
God, can exist, effectuate and create by themselves, why I have
said to My disciples: ‘Become as perfect like your Father in
heaven is perfect!’
[11] I now do great things before your eyes and ears; but you
yourselves will do even greater things in My name, which is the
love of God in your hearts, without nobody can effectuate
anything substantial for the everlasting live, because the love of
God is the actual indestructible life in God Himself and also in
every being going forth out of God.
[12] However everything, once physically created, comes as
such to an end, if by the fully ripened divine love in itself,
migrates in time over to the pure spiritual; and as such also this
earth will not exist forever, but in time will migrate to the
spiritual. However, according to the calculation of the earthly
time it will still take for your present mind a very long time until
the fire of divine love will have dissolved all matter into its
original spiritual state.
[13] The dissolving of a world will take place like the dissolving
of every other physical being, whereby the external death will in
time progress and become visible more and more. If you look at
a tree, you will observe how it wastes away over time. It
becomes old, rotten, only a few branches showing life while
others have become decayed and rotten and in time fall off from
the trunk. Over time also the trunk becomes rotten and dead and
this continues, until finally the whole tree becomes decayed,
rotten and dead in itself. Nevertheless a by himself completely
dead tree still has life-spirits in itself; therefore you will, if it lies
in the forest thrown over by a storm, see a lot of mos plants and
also other little herbs grow from it, also its inner will be pierced
by all kinds of worms, and a large number of insects will gnaw
for as long at the flesh and marrow as there still is something to
it, until after about a hundred years no trace of the tree can be
found anymore.
[14] Thus, even if on a much bigger scale, it will also happen to
a dying and finally completely deceased world. However, where
a tree dies, soon another grows in its place. Hence also a world
passes, but another and even several others take its place and
adsorb the leftover life-spirits of the totally deceased and fully
perished old world, for further nursing and development. And
see, as such the actual creating never reaches an end, because
also God can never stop, in His everlasting unlimited love and
wisdom, to think, to will and to love!
[15] I think that this should be for everyone in the highest
degree comprehensible! To whom this still is not sufficiently
clear, for him I add the following to all this: Imagine yourself
living immortally forever in everlasting youthful strength in a
world! Will you at any stage want to stop thinking and to want?
Will you at one stage become completely inactive and does not
want to enjoy anything? Certainly not, but you will become
increasingly more active, and you will most eagerly try and use
all means possible to prepare for yourself always more and
greater comforts of life; because this love and the true life of
love has in itself, that it never can rest, because life itself is
nothing else than one activity after another.
[16] Therefore nobody of you should think that he one day in
the beyond will find himself in an everlasting, sweet rest; since
this would be actually the very death of the spirit or the soul.
The more spiritual a person becomes in his inner being, the
more active he will become, and this through and through. If
this is already visible and clearly noticeable on this earth, how
much more will it be the case in the beyond, where no heavy
body restrains the activity of the soul! – Now speak, if you have
comprehended this well!”

thanks henk. god does indeed exist.

I think god does exist. However god also comes in different forms. And not necessarily in just an organized religion sense. Some people think just cause one may not be a fan of organized religion, that makes the person an atheist. It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. JMHO.

Oh and I found out that the young man in the video is not Albert Einstein but that's irrelevant.


So Jo, for a while you thought that actually was Einstein? And that somehow there was an advanced camera in his youth that just happened to be in his class when he spoke up??

I like it.......

So Jo, for a while you thought that actually was Einstein? And that somehow there was an advanced camera in his youth that just happened to be in his class when he spoke up??

I like it.......

Technicalities ;)

Don't pick on me you big bully!!!

I think god does exist. However god also comes in different forms. And not necessarily in just an organized religion sense. Some people think just cause one may not be a fan of organized religion, that makes the person an atheist. It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. JMHO.
Anyway, one reason why I brought this up. Was cause I've seen some young people coming up whereas cause they may not be a fan of "organized religion" they came into the conclusion that they must perhaps be "atheists". But I think it's the society that may have imposed that on them with such thoughts or statements as "What? You don't want to go to Church? Then you don't believe in God and must be an atheist". Which I think it's an unfair or inaccurate imposition. And that some of these young people need to realize it doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. JMHO.

Yes, I do believe that God exist :)

I see god in our ability to choose. When you live life on autopilot you surrender your part in the creation of the world around you. Those who can rise above their lower instincts and choose thier own destiny become participants in the creation of our existence.

It can be as simple as going for a run even though your body is telling you to stay home, quitting smoking when your cravings are telling you not to, or sacrificing yourself for others in spite of your own desires.

Think of all the greatest people who have ever lived, athletes, scientists, Ghandi, etc and what made them great... They made a conscious choice every minute of every day to do things most of us cant sustain for a few hours or even minutes. Its the ability to choose that makes us all co-creators.

HA! there you have it, the seed of relativity

Evil, love, cold, hot, light and dark are all relative measurements.

Lighter than what
Colder than what
hotter than what
Darker than what
More evil than what.

Interesting spin

To answer the question, you first have to define.
Define God, then I will answer

I liked how this wise young boy described a point especially where he met logic with science in his explanation that cold is the absence of heat and darkness is the absence of light,

and used that as a point in tort that because those elements apear to be real in our current reality then evil can only be as a result of having no love of God in his heart.

To expand further I believe all human beings believe in something its when we try to explain that belief by definition that we strugle, is this because we cant accept that we are the most intelligent species on earth?

I herd a doctor speak at a conference I attended the only thing that a man can claim as his own is his brain, you can have every other part of your body replaced by a pig, goat, or even a monkey if you like.

But what you cant have replaced is your thinking faculty which is your brain. Gods name is "I am" God does not live outside of you he lives in you. Let us make man in our likeness and image, and greater is he who lives in me " I am"

To define God you only need to look in a mirror and who ever is starring back at you is your definition of God. "I am" proud to be apart of the most superior species on this earth no other animal has the thinking faculty I have! :cool: I can train a monkey but a monkey cant train me because "I am"!

and this video proves what exactly?


that apples are not oranges! Actually, because they are both fruit, apples ARE oranges. just different.

So here's a question for you...does existence exist? What does the concept of existence mean? I am typing words onto a keyboard, and they are appearing on a screen that you all can read from your various locations. But where are the words?

God does exist for me, and I'm OK with not knowing why or how or when or where. Well, the where makes sense because "everywhere I am" is where God exists for me. :)

I just read my Abraham-Hicks quote for today, which ended with "desire is what puts the eternalness in eternity." So what puts the existenceness in existence? Maybe it's the same thing. We want it, so it is. If God fell in a forest, but no one was present to believe, would God exist?

If God fell in a forest, but no one was present to believe, would God exist?

To believe what, that he fell? LOL!!

(Dav 10:18) Thou shalt not haveth sarcasm on thine lips; for it bringeth confusion to the simple.

Awesome :thumb:

Originally Posted by MantaRayz http://www.successvibe.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.successvibe.com/forum/showthread.php?p=190552#post190552)
If God fell in a forest, but no one was present to believe, would God exist?

Originally Posted by GR8FL2BME http://www.successvibe.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.successvibe.com/forum/showthread.php?p=190568#post190568)
To believe what, that he fell? LOL!!



I wasn't really asking to get an answer, but, since you ask, my Apologies for a somewhat esoteric question, based on the olde philosophy vs physics question .....
"If a Tree fell in the forest, but no one was present to witness, would the falling tree make a sound?"

It can be argued many different ways, but only if one has an open mind to all possibilities. In light of that, I'll ask it a different way .....

If God was in a forest, but no one was present to believe, would God exist?

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