Electric cars....

Chuck D · 02-07-2010, 03:34 PM

....anyone know anything about Hybrid Cars?

Scooter · 02-07-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck D

....anyone know anything about Hybrid Cars?

They run on gas and batteries?
They make good traction for my Hummer

Sorry, that is the extent of my knowledge

Chuck D · 02-07-2010, 04:38 PM

What is this ticker factory?

KahunaGrande · 02-07-2010, 04:38 PM

They are nowhere near as fun or capable as my V8 Jeep or V8 Pickemup?

The battery packs are more dangerous for the environment than recycling an engine?

They consume more energy over their lifecycle than a comparable gas or diesel car due to their reliance on exotic materials?

They are usually promoted by the same kinds of people who believed in man-made global warming?

For true electric cars you better not need to travel more than 50-60 miles?

I will say though, that the Tesla Roadster is the only attractive fancy-pants toy car I have seen, it is cool:

Chuck D · 02-07-2010, 04:49 PM

Hi John.

I am actually looking at a Lexus Hybrid 450H.

Over here petrol (gas) costs about $1.50 a litre, and the Lexus does 40 mpg.

So I am more interested in the cost of running than saving the world.....

I had a Range Rover which was great, but at 14 MPG........

Auswithspirit · 02-07-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooter

They run on gas and batteries?
They make good traction for my Hummer

Sorry, that is the extent of my knowledge

Absolutely loved this

Quote:

Originally Posted by KahunaGrande

They are nowhere near as fun or capable as my V8 Jeep or V8 Pickemup?

The battery packs are more dangerous for the environment than recycling an engine?

They consume more energy over their lifecycle than a comparable gas or diesel car due to their reliance on exotic materials?

They are usually promoted by the same kinds of people who believed in man-made global warming?

For true electric cars you better not need to travel more than 50-60 miles?

I will say though, that the Tesla Roadster is the only attractive fancy-pants toy car I have seen, it is cool:

True KG you look at say the Toyota version of it and its no good either, how is building more batteries good for the world ?

KahunaGrande · 02-07-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck D

Hi John.

I am actually looking at a Lexus Hybrid 450H.

Over here petrol (gas) costs about $1.50 a litre, and the Lexus does 40 mpg.

So I am more interested in the cost of running than saving the world.....

I had a Range Rover which was great, but at 14 MPG........

Ahhh, well the Lexus should be good. Ford makes a good hybrid Escape which is about the same size and maybe even better mileage. Over here, you can even get a Hybrid Caddilac Escalade but it will maybe get 20 or so.

40 mpg is pretty good, I average about 22mpg on the highway in my Jeep Grand Cherokee which is plenty good for what it is (a V8 SUV).

Be sure and get accurate costs for maintenance and replacing the battery pack, rumor has it that when those costs are factored in there is little actual savings, but that is based on our fuel costs here, might actually make economic sense over there.

Auswithspirit · 02-07-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KahunaGrande

Ahhh, well the Lexus should be good. Ford makes a good hybrid Escape which is about the same size and maybe even better mileage. Over here, you can even get a Hybrid Caddilac Escalade but it will maybe get 20 or so.

40 mpg is pretty good, I average about 22mpg on the highway in my Jeep Grand Cherokee which is plenty good for what it is (a V8 SUV).

Be sure and get accurate costs for maintenance and replacing the battery pack, rumor has it that when those costs are factored in there is little actual savings, but that is based on our fuel costs here, might actually make economic sense over there.

I know for the Toyota Prius here in Aus its 1$6000 every four years to replace the batteries

I know Ford were looking at creating a F150 F250 Hydrogen Hybrid ..now that i would look at

Omega · 02-07-2010, 05:36 PM

"The main advantage of hybrid cars, which is the electric motor, is also its downfall. When a hybrid car is involved in an accident it will be difficult for you and the rescuers to get you out of the car because of the dangers of electrocution. Hybrid cars carry large amounts of voltage. When it gets involved in an accident, wires from the battery may tear off and will be potentially dangerous to handle."

Ouch!!!!!

PhilipOnFire · 02-08-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

"The main advantage of hybrid cars, which is the electric motor, is also its downfall. When a hybrid car is involved in an accident it will be difficult for you and the rescuers to get you out of the car because of the dangers of electrocution. Hybrid cars carry large amounts of voltage. When it gets involved in an accident, wires from the battery may tear off and will be potentially dangerous to handle."

Ouch!!!!!

the huge disadvantage of hybrid or all electric cars it that they are electric.

the lithium for the batteries is a rare metal and to creat the hybrid car success on a big scale is going to mean the rape of large areas of Bolivia which has the largest deposits of lithium in the world.

secondly you are only hiding your pollution footprint anyway.
the electricity has to be made somehow. tha somehow polutes just as much as a gas engine but in different ways. even the so called environmentally friendly wind power is hugely polluting in that the capital plant is so expensive that it barely pays for itself over the life of the turbine.

there are no cheap answers in cash or pollution terms.

hydrogen is an even bigger farce.
it takes more power to create the hydrogen than the power generated by using the hydrogen to run an engine.

hydrogen and electric engines are a dead end technology unless something radical happens.

the input electricity /power needs to be much cheaper than current energy costs to be a valid solution. so you are talking about fusion power stations or so other grounbd breaking solution as a prerequisite to both.

Chuck D · 02-08-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KahunaGrande

Ahhh, well the Lexus should be good. Ford makes a good hybrid Escape which is about the same size and maybe even better mileage. Over here, you can even get a Hybrid Caddilac Escalade but it will maybe get 20 or so.

40 mpg is pretty good, I average about 22mpg on the highway in my Jeep Grand Cherokee which is plenty good for what it is (a V8 SUV).

Be sure and get accurate costs for maintenance and replacing the battery pack, rumor has it that when those costs are factored in there is little actual savings, but that is based on our fuel costs here, might actually make economic sense over there.

Ta John.

Seems that some of the published figures might be a bit misleading.......I have seen a few Jeeps that have been converted, and I like them....

Scooter · 02-08-2010, 04:58 PM

The thing here we all need to keep in mind when it comes to GREEN, economy, efficient etc... is that nothing is free. Better fuel efficiency has always come at a cost. Cleaner fuel means that someplace there was a dirty secret, corn is a diversion and alcohol creates CO2, Energy always exists and only changes state and at what cost is that change.

I go crazy thinking about my old muscle cars that burned clean, got decent fuel mileage and had an overabundance of power. I could maintain them with a crescent wrench, some pliers and a screwdriver and they were inexpensive. Today cars are underpowered, over complicated and frankly, the mileage isn't that great unless you have a poorly tunes old muscle car.

It used to be a few turns of a screw on the Carb and you tuned an engine. I wonder what is getting screwed now. The batteries in these new cars are going to pollute at such high levels it will make the industrial era look like a pig farm. The plastics, chemicals, heavy metals, energy and waste needed to create a 300 volt battery that will be crap in 3 years is massive. I for one think we need to look at better solutions than batteries. After all, it says right on every battery they are dangerous, might explode and are bad for the environment so lets just make more OK.

Hydrogen fuel cells. Efficient, Clean ... There is the future of locomotion

KKPDX · 02-08-2010, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck D

What is this ticker factory?

Where's yours?

Batman · 02-08-2010, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KahunaGrande

Be sure and get accurate costs for maintenance and replacing the battery pack, rumor has it that when those costs are factored in there is little actual savings, but that is based on our fuel costs here, might actually make economic sense over there.

warning, warning warning

That is not a rumor

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02-07-2010, 03:34 PM	#1
Chuck D BOZO Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,446	Electric cars.... ....anyone know anything about Hybrid Cars? __________________ "Doubt is the origin of wisdom" - Descartes "The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation"- Bertrand Russell "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning" - Werner Heisenberg "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants" - Sir Issac Newton You tell me, i forget. You teach me, i remember. You involve me, i learn. Benjamin Franklin

02-07-2010, 04:38 PM	#3
Chuck D BOZO Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,446	What is this ticker factory? __________________ "Doubt is the origin of wisdom" - Descartes "The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation"- Bertrand Russell "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning" - Werner Heisenberg "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants" - Sir Issac Newton You tell me, i forget. You teach me, i remember. You involve me, i learn. Benjamin Franklin

02-07-2010, 04:49 PM	#5
Chuck D BOZO Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,446	Hi John. I am actually looking at a Lexus Hybrid 450H. Over here petrol (gas) costs about $1.50 a litre, and the Lexus does 40 mpg. So I am more interested in the cost of running than saving the world..... I had a Range Rover which was great, but at 14 MPG........ __________________ "Doubt is the origin of wisdom" - Descartes "The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation"- Bertrand Russell "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning" - Werner Heisenberg "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants" - Sir Issac Newton You tell me, i forget. You teach me, i remember. You involve me, i learn. Benjamin Franklin

02-07-2010, 05:36 PM	#9
Omega Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 218	"The main advantage of hybrid cars, which is the electric motor, is also its downfall. When a hybrid car is involved in an accident it will be difficult for you and the rescuers to get you out of the car because of the dangers of electrocution. Hybrid cars carry large amounts of voltage. When it gets involved in an accident, wires from the battery may tear off and will be potentially dangerous to handle." Ouch!!!!! __________________ Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Lao Tzu

02-08-2010, 04:58 PM	#12
Scooter A Minimalist Buddha Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Planet Papunia Posts: 7,649	The thing here we all need to keep in mind when it comes to GREEN, economy, efficient etc... is that nothing is free. Better fuel efficiency has always come at a cost. Cleaner fuel means that someplace there was a dirty secret, corn is a diversion and alcohol creates CO2, Energy always exists and only changes state and at what cost is that change. I go crazy thinking about my old muscle cars that burned clean, got decent fuel mileage and had an overabundance of power. I could maintain them with a crescent wrench, some pliers and a screwdriver and they were inexpensive. Today cars are underpowered, over complicated and frankly, the mileage isn't that great unless you have a poorly tunes old muscle car. It used to be a few turns of a screw on the Carb and you tuned an engine. I wonder what is getting screwed now. The batteries in these new cars are going to pollute at such high levels it will make the industrial era look like a pig farm. The plastics, chemicals, heavy metals, energy and waste needed to create a 300 volt battery that will be crap in 3 years is massive. I for one think we need to look at better solutions than batteries. After all, it says right on every battery they are dangerous, might explode and are bad for the environment so lets just make more OK. Hydrogen fuel cells. Efficient, Clean ... There is the future of locomotion __________________ [ My Blog ] [ Kona Condo ] "Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated." - Confucius “The secret of happiness, you see, is not found in seeking more, but in developing the capacity to enjoy less.” -Socrates

02-07-2010, 04:38 PM	#4
KahunaGrande Scurvy Elephant Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,492	They are nowhere near as fun or capable as my V8 Jeep or V8 Pickemup? The battery packs are more dangerous for the environment than recycling an engine? They consume more energy over their lifecycle than a comparable gas or diesel car due to their reliance on exotic materials? They are usually promoted by the same kinds of people who believed in man-made global warming? For true electric cars you better not need to travel more than 50-60 miles? I will say though, that the Tesla Roadster is the only attractive fancy-pants toy car I have seen, it is cool:

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